Home phones ringing indefinately in 1985

[Adam]

People say he would not have investigated beforehand whether calls could be tracked. As it was too risky.

Not sure about that. But if true & he was not sure, he would try to cover himself with an answered call from WHF to GH.

[snow66!]

People say he would not have investigated beforehand whether calls could be tracked. As it was too risky.

Not sure about that. But if true & he was not sure, he would try to cover himself with an answered call from WHF to GH.

What about his 'everything is going well' call to Julie, Adam?

[ILB]

What about his 'everything is going well' call to Julie, Adam?

Good point

Kind of undermines the whole theory.

[Steve_uk]

Why telephone Julie at all..

[snow66!]

Good point

Kind of undermines the whole theory.

Its never made any kind of sense to me that JB would have dreamt of phoning Julie and a house full of witnesse's at 3.00 in the morning and go on to tell the police that his dad phoned at 3.10, ILB!
That would be game over right away.
What the heck kind of planning is that?

[Steve_uk]

Its never made any kind of sense to me that JB would have dreamt of phoning Julie and a house full of witnesse's at 3.00 in the morning and go on to tell the police that his dad phoned at 3.10, ILB!
That would be game over right away.
What the heck kind of planning is that?

He was on a high. Remember, he wasn't sure whether he could kill them all, being squeamish by nature. e had to practise on rats..

[Adam]

What about his 'everything is going well' call to Julie, Adam?

What about it?

[Adam]

All the attempted obstacles regarding answering his own phone have been answered -

The neighbours would hear a ringing phone - Put the phone on mute/silent.

The call would cut off - It would not.

BT could track how long the phone rang for - It could not.

Why wait so long to call the police - 15 minutes is ok.

He would forget to put his phone on silent - He wouldn't.

[Adam]

Answering his own call would be likely if he did not know if calls could be tracked.

If he was 70% certain calls could not be tracked, he may still answer his own call. It is not difficult to arrange.

[snow66!]

He was on a high. Remember, he wasn't sure whether he could kill them all, being squeamish by nature. e had to practise on rats..

The thing is .Steve, this seems to be a discussion about how JB could single handedly manipulate phone calls to give himself an alibi?
I mean look at it this way, Adam says that JB may have phoned his AM to fake a call from Nevill then rush home as fast as he could to phone the police so that there isn't a large time span between the two calls?
So it follows that JB may have indeed phoned his cottage from WHF around 3.05-3-10 and then rushed home to phone the police around 3.25, right?
So how could JB have even phoned Julie from his cottage around 3.00 when he wasn't even there till around 3.20-25?
Are we saying that JB phoned Julie at 3.00 from WHF? So much for the calls being traced then?
Or we can argue that JB actually left WHF around 2.45 and got back to his cottage around 3.00 and phoned Julie? But if so, this means he must have called his cottage around 2.45 but went on to tell the police that his dad phoned at 3.10, right? Meaning around a 45 minute time span between phoning his cottage and phoning the police? How could he explain that, Steve?
And if we go back to rushing home to keep the time span as tight as possible between the two calls, why then did he rush home only to call Julie at 3.00 and then wait almost another half hour to phone the police around 3.30?
Its just nonsense!!!
If you think it all through, a phone call to Julie from Goldhanger at 3.00 isn't only stupid, in my opinion its darned near impossible, Steve!
Impossible if you go through a guilt scenario time line! Impossible.

[Adam]

The thing is .Steve, this seems to be a discussion about how JB could single handedly manipulate phone calls to give himself an alibi?
I mean look at it this way, Adam says that JB may have phoned his AM to fake a call from Nevill then rush home as fast as he could to phone the police so that there isn't a large time span between the two calls?
So it follows that JB may have indeed phoned his cottage from WHF around 3.05-3-10 and then rushed home to phone the police around 3.25, right?
So how could JB have even phoned Julie from his cottage around 3.00 when he wasn't even there till around 3.20-25?
Are we saying that JB phoned Julie at 3.00 from WHF? So much for the calls being traced then?
Or we can argue that JB actually left WHF around 2.45 and got back to his cottage around 3.00 and phoned Julie? But if so, this means he must have called his cottage around 2.45 but went on to tell the police that his dad phoned at 3.10, right? Meaning around a 45 minute time span between phoning his cottage and phoning the police? How could he explain that, Steve?
And if we go back to rushing home to keep the time span as tight as possible between the two calls, why then did he rush home only to call Julie at 3.00 and then wait almost another half hour to phone the police around 3.30?
Its just nonsense!!!
If you think it all through, a phone call to Julie from Goldhanger at 3.00 isn't only stupid, in my opinion its darned near impossible, Steve!
Impossible if you go through a guilt scenario time line! Impossible.

This thread is about him answering his own call.

He told the police Nevill rang him 'around 3.10am'. So that time can be moved.

Seems he phoned Julie around the same time.

[Adam]

Think Snow is getting confused again. No one has suggested he rang Julie from WHF.

He rang GH from WHF.

Cycled back and answered his own call.

Then rang Julie and Chelmsford Police.

[snow66!]

Think Snow is getting confused again. No one has suggested he rang Julie from WHF.

He rang GH from WHF.

Cycled back and answered his own call.

Then rang Julie and Chelmsford Police.

The point is, when did he get back to Goldhanger, Adam?
And what do you mean answered his own call? Do you mean the phone was ringing in his house for over quarter an hour while he biked home from WHF?  If so, what time did he get home to answer it?

[Adam]

The point is, when did he get back to Goldhanger, Adam?
And what do you mean answered his own call? Do you mean the phone was ringing in his house for over quarter an hour while he biked home from WHF?  If so, what time did he get home to answer it?

Yes his phone would ring until he got back. As my thread post says.

Do not know what time he answered it. Just know he rang the police at 3.26am.

[snow66!]

Yes his phone would ring until he got back. As my thread post says.

Do not know what time he answered it. Just know he rang the police at 3.26am.

But even if JB did go home and answer his phone, it follows that he must have phoned Julie 'afterwards', right?
And seeing JB told the police his dad phoned about 3.10 cant we assume that this was the time he actually answered the phone when he got back from WHF, Adam? Especially if he thought the calls could be traced?
So again, this proves that JB could not have phoned Julie until after he answered his own call at 3.10, right?
So no matter how you look at it, it was nigh on impossible for JB to call Julie at 3.00, and the defense should have been able to prove this?
Of course you could argue that JB did indeed get back to Goldhanger before 3.00 and answered his phone before phoning Julie, but that makes zero sense, we're back to the senseless scenario of rushing home and leaving it half an hour before phoning the police, and why in the name of god would he tell the police his dad phoned at 3.10 after JB had rushed home and answered it before 3.00?
And again why oh why would he phone Julie at 3.00 and tell the police his dad phoned at 3.10?
Its just utter nonsense!
I will say again, a phone call to Julie from Goldhanger around 3.00 was virtually impossible, Adam? Goodnight, sir!