Channel 5 documentary 8th June 9.00 pm - 10.30 pm

[Steve_uk]

Channel 5 produce a WHF doc every few years. Wonder if Phillip will be on this one again.

The Philip Walker and Yvonne Hartley Show.

[Adam]

If there was a PSOR for the 999 call, will be surprised if the Millbank audio will change that. So far it hasn't.

[Aunt Agatha]

Jeremy did not know much that fatal night however from our first meeting Jeremy has always said he was outside the house whilst overhearing an officer talking to someone in the house.

[Adam]

Jeremy did not know much that fatal night however from our first meeting Jeremy has always said he was outside the house whilst overhearing an officer talking to someone in the house.

How were they communicating?

[ILB]

I have always found Jeremy's conversation with Gerard Wiggins which highlights police involvement prior arrest.

In the sense at that time he didn't need to be teeing a defence up.

[Adam]

The Philip Walker and Yvonne Hartley Show.

Yvonne seems to have given up. But Phillip hasn't.

Here is a blast from the past. Trudie giving a long interview. Strange how one minute they are doing this, then totally stop.

https://youtu.be/1gxrdSi8AK8?si=Rrj24ZHngD29zPeQ

[Cambridgecutie]

Yvonne seems to have given up. But Phillip hasn't.

Here is a blast from the past. Trudie giving a long interview. Strange how one minute they are doing this, then totally stop.

https://youtu.be/1gxrdSi8AK8?si=Rrj24ZHngD29zPeQ

I actually think this whole 'campaign' thing and attempts at using the media is counterproductive.  Afaik no other case has had a 'campaign team' and/or used the media eg Andy Malikson but eventually they received the justice they deserved in less than half the time JB has already served.

Can anyone think of a MoJ where the appellant has been assisted by the media? 

Another example is that of missing MM.  Her parents used the media from day 1 and look how it has turned out!  Unmitigated disaster and still no sign of MM. 

Maybe QE2 was right: Dont complain, dont explain.  I'm thinking Nike: "Just Do It"!  It can all be done behind the scenes.  No running commentary required. 

[Jonathan]

I actually think this whole 'campaign' thing and attempts at using the media is counterproductive.  Afaik no other case has had a 'campaign team' and/or used the media eg Andy Malikson but eventually they received the justice they deserved in less than half the time JB has already served.

Can anyone think of a MoJ where the appellant has been assisted by the media? 

Another example is that of missing MM.  Her parents used the media from day 1 and look how it has turned out!  Unmitigated disaster and still no sign of MM. 

Maybe QE2 was right: Dont complain, dont explain.  I'm thinking Nike: "Just Do It"!  It can all be done behind the scenes.  No running commentary required.

I think Sally Clark had John Sweeney on board. And of course Chris Mullin with the "IRA" convictions. There was also a BBC programme called Rough Justice which can for many years.

[Rob_]

I actually think this whole 'campaign' thing and attempts at using the media is counterproductive.  Afaik no other case has had a 'campaign team' and/or used the media eg Andy Malikson but eventually they received the justice they deserved in less than half the time JB has already served.

Can anyone think of a MoJ where the appellant has been assisted by the media? 

Another example is that of missing MM.  Her parents used the media from day 1 and look how it has turned out!  Unmitigated disaster and still no sign of MM. 

Maybe QE2 was right: Dont complain, dont explain.  I'm thinking Nike: "Just Do It"!  It can all be done behind the scenes.  No running commentary required.

The Post Office Scandal for starters.

[Steve_uk]

I actually think this whole 'campaign' thing and attempts at using the media is counterproductive.  Afaik no other case has had a 'campaign team' and/or used the media eg Andy Malikson but eventually they received the justice they deserved in less than half the time JB has already served.

Can anyone think of a MoJ where the appellant has been assisted by the media? 

Another example is that of missing MM.  Her parents used the media from day 1 and look how it has turned out!  Unmitigated disaster and still no sign of MM. 

Maybe QE2 was right: Dont complain, dont explain.  I'm thinking Nike: "Just Do It"!  It can all be done behind the scenes.  No running commentary required.

Rough Justice had some successes. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/rachel-manning-rough-justice-bbc

[Cambridgecutie]

I think Sally Clark had John Sweeney on board. And of course Chris Mullin with the "IRA" convictions. There was also a BBC programme called Rough Justice which can for many years.

Yes you are right but a focused response from the likes of John Sweeney, Chris Mullin and Rough Justice is a  world away from JB's scattergun approach of 'all publicity is good publicity'.

[Cambridgecutie]

The Post Office Scandal for starters.

But this case involved hundreds of sub-postmasters much the same as Hillsborough involved the families of the 97 victims.

[Cambridgecutie]

Rough Justice had some successes. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/rachel-manning-rough-justice-bbc

Rough Justice was a programme produced and aired by the state broadcaster.  Very different from JB's scattergun approach of attempting to deal with anyone who cares to listen most of whom have a living to earn and advertisers, editors and publishers to appease. 

[Jonathan]

Heidi Blake did actually do some work for her podcasts - tracking down Nick Milbank. But a lot of the "journalism" around the case is just acting as PR for Bamber and the CT with no accompanying analysis.

[ILB]

Don Hale editor of the Matlock Mercury, Bakewell tart murder.

I actually believe Stephen Downing was guilty.