Full rejection of CC's proposed referral grounds to the CCRC:

[Adam]

Sort of.

Bill Robertson has said that the Campaign Team ought to have submitted a much shorter and more focuses submission as it could have been submitted years earlier and would allow the CCRC to make a much speedier referred to the Court of Appeal.

Easy to say after 5 years.

If he has a new ground with supporting evidence, I hope he posts it on here.

[BarefootDanC]

Easy to say after 5 years.

If he has a new ground with supporting evidence, I hope he posts it on here.

He has said that for a long time.

[ILB]

I think they're hoping for a cause celebre.

[Cambridgecutie]

I think they're hoping for a cause celebre.

They will get that alright with the Aga burns!

[Jonathan]

Sort of.

Bill Robertson has said that the Campaign Team ought to have submitted a much shorter and more focuses submission as it could have been submitted years earlier and would allow the CCRC to make a much speedier referred to the Court of Appeal.

Successful appeals almost always rely on one or two very strong pieces of exculpatory evidence. Bamber hasn't got any so is trying a scattergun approach. Then throw in that he's been illegally silenced - maybe that'll help.

[Cambridgecutie]

Successful appeals almost always rely on one or two very strong pieces of exculpatory evidence. Bamber hasn't got any so is trying a scattergun approach. Then throw in that he's been illegally silenced - maybe that'll help.

Yes.  If I consider, off the top of my head, other high profile cases that have been overturned it has been based on tiny pieces of forensic evidence, often invisible to the naked eye eg:

- Stefan Kiszko - no sperm in semen stain.
- Sally Clarke - bacteria
- Barry George - Gunshot particle
- Sion Jenkins - Expirated blood spatter
- Guildford 4 - Gunshot residue
- Andy Malkinson - DNA evidence

I could go on but the pattern is there.

It should be noted that the above just got on with solving their cases with little or no fanfare.

[ILB]

I doubt JB is ever getting out of prison in an alive capacity as a free man.

Whether posthumously he becomes a Derek Bentley it's yet to be seen. But JBs a man without family support, off spring etc. I believe the CT would disband upon the event or his demise.

[ILB]

Yes.  If I consider, off the top of my head, other high profile cases that have been overturned it has been based on tiny pieces of forensic evidence, often invisible to the naked eye eg:

- Stefan Kiszko - no sperm in semen stain.
- Sally Clarke - bacteria
- Barry George - Gunshot particle
- Sion Jenkins - Expirated blood spatter
- Guildford 4 - Gunshot residue
- Andy Malkinson - DNA evidence

I could go on but the pattern is there.

It should be noted that the above just got on with solving their cases with little or no fanfare.

What I could never understand in kiszko case that his mother couldn't alibi him as he never left her side. Apart from going to work.

[Steve_uk]

What I could never understand in kiszko case that his mother couldn't alibi him as he never left her side. Apart from going to work.

His alibi was that he was with his aunt visiting his father's grave, from where he proceeded to a garden centre.

[ILB]

His alibi was that he was with his aunt visiting his father's grave, from where he proceeded to a garden centre.

Which is a pretty strong alibi, however I often wonder although British born his Ukrainian parentage worked against him. It was the 70s after all.

Surprised the medical evidence showing he couldn't produce sperm didn't help him

I read a book on the case on holiday not so long ago., apparently he was receiving testostorone injections and the prosecution painted a picture of him going mad due to this and abducting and killing the child.

[ILB]

As for the three teenage girls who lied about him exposing himself to them and who were praised by the trial judge for bravery. I wonder if what happened to Stefan and his untimely demise ( which despite his obesity will have been brought on by his years inside as a convicted nonce) I wonder if they ever reflect and it eats them up.

[Adam]

Doubt that the CT will continue after Jeremy has deceased. There has been no success working with Jeremy and his lawyers. But there will still be discussion.

Believe Hanratty's relatives continued and managed to get DNA tests. This went against him. The relatives then claimed contamination which the judge called 'fanciful'.

[BarefootDanC]

Doubt that the CT will continue after Jeremy has deceased. There has been no success working with Jeremy and his lawyers. But there will still be discussion.

Believe Hanratty's relatives continued and managed to get DNA tests. This went against him. The relatives then claimed contamination which the judge called 'fanciful'.

I predict it might take several years after his death for his campaign to collapse altogether, but there will still be discussion.

Those on the innocent side will still claim that Essex police are hiding exculpatory evidence and still claim that the CCRC are stupid and the Statement of Reasons are bad.

[Adam]

The CCRC PSOR was over a year ago. Suspect one or two more grounds have been dismissed since then. They do not have to make this public.

A PSOR was released as it is an exceptional CCRC application with multiple grounds. So an update was released after 4 years.

[Adam]

People said it was the end of the matter after the 2002 COA judgement. Then again in 2012.

A full rejection at the end of this decade and Jeremy will be 70. Physically still able to still be alive and submit another CCRC application in 2040.