ABO grouping of highly-dilute blood by the absorption-elution technique

[David1819]

I was really panicking, because I was really shocked that your weekly shop might include three bottles of lager!  I was plucking up courage to send you a PM suggesting that you contact your local AA group.  I am so relieved that this is not necessary.

I deliberately chose three bottles, thinking four would be too suspect. I even put on my Aqua Terra mechanical dive watch to have people believe I was anticipating the possibility of ending up in a nearby lake.

When it comes to beer nothing gets passed CC. 

PS. I appreciate your concerns 

[BarefootDanC]

Rivlin should have been more curious which hopefully would have led to a much deeper dive and calling in experts from the US who were undoubtedly better placed to assist the defence on the basis of firearms licencing laws between the two countries. 

Would ordinary people believe blood stains found on the outside of the rifle, arguably of much better quality than the flake found inside a month later, since they did not have to withstand the heat and gsr from firearm discharge.....

Yes, because that was what the expert witnesses said! And this was still undisputed at the 2002 appeal, despite another expert having worked on the case.

[BarefootDanC]

Ordinary people do believe it both on and off the forum after looking at the evidence.

Bamber supporters are able to believe things like Sheila shooting herself with her toes (Scott Lomax's book), West receiving two calls one from Nevill and another from Jeremy, a big conspiracy between the police, relatives, Mugford and others to frame Jeremy, but ordinary people would find these ideas far-fetched.

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes, because that was what the expert witnesses said!And this was still undisputed at the 2002 appeal, despite another expert having worked on the case.

Not sure why you cut my post short in your reply?

Where? And where?

[Cambridgecutie]

Oh my god. I only put my wrist watch in the photo to hide the bold letters "alcohol free" on the bottles (ngb must have been panicking) and yet you still knew!  A beer expert via consistent high alcohol consumption!

Good thing this caught my attention after I scrolled without logging in. That's hilarious 😂😂

Stop being childish and a massive girls blouse.

[David1819]

Bamber supporters are able to believe things like Sheila shooting herself with her toes (Scott Lomax's book), West receiving two calls one from Nevill and another from Jeremy, a big conspiracy between the police, relatives, Mugford and others to frame Jeremy, but ordinary people would find these ideas far-fetched.

Those are views held by cranks that have taken an interest in the case and are not really interested in the truth.

[Cambridgecutie]

Those are views held by cranks that have taken an interest in the case and are not really interested in the truth.

What cateorgory do you think others put your theory that AE contaminated the silencer with water from a bucket containing a pair of SC's menstrual stained knickers?  And before you say it...oh I forgot you have me on ignore  , but I'll say it for the benefit of others...yes I have mooted a couple of theories that didn't stack up but its called mass debating and when others showed me the errors in my thinking I quickly abandoned them.

 

[Cambridgecutie]

Bamber supporters are able to believe things like Sheila shooting herself with her toes (Scott Lomax's book), West receiving two calls one from Nevill and another from Jeremy, a big conspiracy between the police, relatives, Mugford and others to frame Jeremy, but ordinary people would find these ideas far-fetched.

It has been pointed out to you previously, Bamber supporters are not a one size fits all.  Scott Lomax is the worst kind of 'supporter'.  I quote from his garbage 2024 ebook:

"The presence of the AK1 enzyme was used at trial to demonstrate that the blood originated from Sheila Caffell because none of the others who died on 7th August 1985 had the AK1 enzyme in their blood."

Victims' blood groups:

                                  ABO   PGM            EAP         AK       Hp           

Nevill Bamber                 O     PGM1+         EAP BA     AK1     Hp2-1
June Bamber                  A     PGM1+         EAP BA     AK2-1   Hp2-1
Daniel Caffell                  O     PGM2+1+    EAP B       AK1      Hp2
Nicholas Caffell              O     PGM2+1+    EAP B       AK1      Hp2
Sheila Caffell                  A     PGM1+         EAP BA     AK1      Hp2-1

Scott, if you are reading you are utterly clueless and your books are not worth the paper they are written on...oh hang about they are not written on paper they're ebooks...explains it.   

'Ordinary people' need reminding of the sad case of Stefan Kiszko: a case where 4 lay prosecution witnesses lied "for a laugh" and where a police officer and forensic scientist went on to be charged with perverting the course of justice. 

[Adam]

AE's WS of 14th Aug '85 makes no ref to finding the silencer let alone a silencer with contaminants; a fact that was not lost during the COLP investigation.  Nor do her meticulously created cards make reference to the finding of the silencer!  Not until their Sept WS's, after the flake was supposedly found, do the relatives record finding the silencer with contaminants.

RWB wanted it forensically examined for fibres because he had a theory JB cleaned the inside with a tampon 

Please provide the source regarding RWB.

[BarefootDanC]

Those are views held by cranks that have taken an interest in the case and are not really interested in the truth.

Exactly! Cranky ideas which ordinary people would not believe.

[Cambridgecutie]

Exactly! Cranky ideas which ordinary people would not believe.

And yet Rivlin expected 12 ordinary people to believe that blood supposedly found inside the silencer said to match SC's blood groups as a stand alone could also have represented a mix of NB and June's blood groups producing the same readings as SC's blood groups through a combination.  This was despite the fact no evidence existed that NB sustained any contact gunshot wounds and it was "unlikely" June did either.  And if this whole proposition in itself wasn't difficult enough to for 12 ordinary people to believe they also had to believe that SC in a psychotic state shot her parents and children with the silencer attached and then had the presence of mind to remove the silencer and return it to its rightful home in a bag/box within the cupboard under the stairs before going upstairs to shoot herself. 

Rivlin should have been far more curious about the blood evidence ie why was it all the blood stains on the outside of the rifle were unable to yield any sort of result beyond what appeared to be blood was in fact blood and human in origin and yet the blood supposedly found inside the silencer, which was tested a month later, and was arguably of very poor quality given the environments it was exposed to was able to generate a full set of blood results which very conveniently matched SC's blood groups aka a slam dank!

[Adam]

AE's WS of 14th Aug '85 makes no ref to finding the silencer let alone a silencer with contaminants; a fact that was not lost during the COLP investigation.  Nor do her meticulously created cards make reference to the finding of the silencer!  Not until their Sept WS's, after the flake was supposedly found, do the relatives record finding the silencer with contaminants.

RWB wanted it forensically examined for fibres because he had a theory JB cleaned the inside with a tampon 

Please provide a source regarding RWB.

Second/final request.

[Cambridgecutie]

Please provide a source regarding RWB.

Second/final request.

Given the length of time you have been a member here and the number of posts made I would have expected it to be something you are familiar with but for the benefit of the forum's newer members:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=460.0;attach=1409;image

[Adam]

Given the length of time you have been a member here and the number of posts made I would have expected it to be something you are familiar with but for the benefit of the forum's newer members:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=460.0;attach=1409;image

So there was blood on the silencer.

You ruled out SJ climbing through the window to fabricate it. Only plausible explanation is Jeremy used a silencer in a silent massacre attempt.

[Cambridgecutie]

Given the length of time you have been a member here and the number of posts made I would have expected it to be something you are familiar with but for the benefit of the forum's newer members:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=460.0;attach=1409;image

It doesn't sound like RWB was very familiar with sanitary (menstrual cycle) products.  He appears to conflate tampons with sanitary towels