US-Israel Attacks Iran

[snow66!]

    In retrospect snow, I'm sure that you recognise that in the old "Cowboy and Indian" films we made heroes of the wrong side and turned the victims into aggressors. In the terminology you use, we all now recognise that the European settlers(Cowboys) were the baddies and the Native Americans (telling that they were referred to as Indians and not Native Americans) were the goodies. The narratives we were fed and still are, reverse those designations of goodie/baddie.
     And today, the Israelis/Zionists are the Cowboys and the Palestinians are the "Indians".

Well maybe there's a slight difference, gringo, in that both Jews and Arabs are indigenous to Palestine unlike Indians and invader cowboys  Its kind of like two tribes who have gone to war, as it were!

[gringo]

Well maybe there's a slight difference, gringo, in that both Jews and Arabs are indigenous to Palestine unlike Indians and invader cowboys  Its kind of like two tribes who have gone to war, as it were!

    Jews lived in Palestine whilst it was part of the Ottoman Empire and prior to that without terrorism and genocide. It was the introduction of European Jews, who aren't indigenous to the region that started the trouble. European colonisers genociding the natives. Hence the analogy of Cowboys and Indians, snow. The analogy is very apt.

[gringo]

    Jews lived in Palestine whilst it was part of the Ottoman Empire and prior to that without terrorism and genocide. It was the introduction of European Jews, who aren't indigenous to the region that started the trouble. European colonisers genociding the natives. Hence the analogy of Cowboys and Indians, snow. The analogy is very apt.

    European settlers and their terror gangs, noted earlier, began arriving in the 1920's post Balfour Agreement. All of this is a matter of record, not opinion.

[David1819]

OK, thanks ,gringo! Seems like i'll have to do a lot more homework on Palestine!
But basically, you are convinced that the Zionists/Israelis have always been the baddies?

In Gringos myopic fantasy world, the levant was all sun-shine and rainbows, then the evil Jews came along in the 20th century after living in Europe for nearly two thousand years. They just suddenly decided to go to extreme lengths to create a Jewish state at this particular time period.

The Holocaust was of no relevance and played no role in their motives at all. Amin al-Husseini the preeminent Palestinian leader from the 1920s to the late 1940s who had his own SS squads, visited Nazi concentration camps and went out his way to prevent Jews from escaping the continent (even when it was clear the war was lost) did not justify the resentment and animosity the Jews had towards the Palestinians.

The Jews did not show the same determination or willingness to return to Israel when Emperor Napoleon started floating the idea in the late 1800s. It did not seem to cross their minds much in 1099 when the Crusaders had taken Palestine from the Muslims and ruled it for 200 years. Why? simply because there was not enough to plunder and ruin, why else would white colonialists not participate in white colonialism? The holocaust does not come into the equation because they simply cannot have a rational motive, its all coincidental.

[David1819]

The biggest irony in saying that Israel is the result of European imperialism is that in a sense it is correct.

The actions of an Italian Empire (Imperium Romanum) forced the Israelis out of their land. Then the actions of the Third German Empire compelled them to return. It is actually de-colonisation if you think about it.

[gringo]

In Gringos myopic fantasy world, the levant was all sun-shine and rainbows, then the evil Jews came along in the 20th century after living in Europe for nearly two thousand years. They just suddenly decided to go to extreme lengths to create a Jewish state at this particular time period.

The Holocaust was of no relevance and played no role in their motives at all. Amin al-Husseini the preeminent Palestinian leader from the 1920s to the late 1940s who had his own SS squads, visited Nazi concentration camps and went out his way to prevent Jews from escaping the continent (even when it was clear the war was lost) did not justify the resentment and animosity the Jews had towards the Palestinians.

The Jews did not show the same determination or willingness to return to Israel when Emperor Napoleon started floating the idea in the late 1800s. It did not seem to cross their minds much in 1099 when the Crusaders had taken Palestine from the Muslims and ruled it for 200 years. Why? simply because there was not enough to plunder and ruin, why else would white colonialists not participate in white colonialism? The holocaust does not come into the equation because they simply cannot have a rational motive, its all coincidental.

    I have given you plenty of names, dates, events, resolutions etc. Why not challenge those facts if they are as you claim, some myopic fantasy. The moves to establish a Zionist state in Palestine predate 1948 by decades. Creating a Jewish state in Palestine, whether it suits your preferred narrative or not, began with the League of Nations mandate and Zionist terror gangs in the 1920's. This isn't arguable, I have presented the evidence in the "resolution 181" thread.

[David1819]

lmao

[Adam]

Says 120-140 boats a day used to go through the Strait of Hormuz. Says Iran want to charge each boat 1 million pounds to go through.

That's billions a month for Iran while companies around the world get weaker by having to pay it.

Trump will be gutted. His own tarriffs attempt to make America richer failed & the billions Iran would earn is down to him.

If Iran own the land not sure he can stop them. It's really between Iran & the other companies. Threatening to bomb them again because they are making money is a lot different to claiming they were about to use nuclear weapons.

[Adam]

Trump is claiming victory because he decimated Irans military. But why? Iran were not about to attack America with there military.

America bombing Iran's infrastructure won't stop them blocking the Strait of Hormuz.

Maybe Trump will ask Iran for a percentage of the toll fees. That will please the rest of the world.

Trump can claim he got the Strait open. After his actions got it closed!

[Cambridgecutie]

Can the Gulf states not build overground pipes to get oil out through Suez (further widening?) and/or further overground pipes through Egypt and then onto tankers in the Med?

[Cambridgecutie]

Can the Gulf states not build overground pipes to get oil out through Suez (further widening?) and/or further overground pipes through Egypt and then onto tankers in the Med?

If all countries reliant upon oil from the region donated say 10% of their military to the building of new infrastructure to transport oil via a different route it could be done quickly?

[handymanz]

The India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor — IMEC — is being called one of the largest and most ambitious infrastructure projects in modern history. Trump called it [1] ‘one of the greatest trade routes in all of history.’

IMEC is not just a trade route. It is a control corridor — a fully integrated system of rails, roads, shipping lanes, ports, fiber optic cables, energy pipelines, and data centers stretching from India to Europe. Whoever controls the architecture of that system controls the flow of goods, energy, data, and money across three continents. That is precisely why Technocrats want it, and precisely why you should understand what it is and who is building it.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-191399054?fbclid=IwY2xjawQ3ImNleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFpSlR1ckhRVlRkSmo5akQ5c3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHrm4cTStl_8nwws6LvBLJm6VJmxxP7jZgxizte_u5xdMi0MFbWS6gZOEkqOY_aem_j1ft1rCw4Hm56KkDE8Z3ZQ

[handymanz]

Jared Kushner reveals 'MASTER PLAN' for developing Gaza at Davos during Trump's Board of Peace

https://youtu.be/eO4TCfP30VE

[snow66!]

    European settlers and their terror gangs, noted earlier, began arriving in the 1920's post Balfour Agreement. All of this is a matter of record, not opinion.

But I believe many of the European Jews had some ancient Canaanite DNA in them, gringo!
Weren't many who returned to Israel actually diaspora, as it were?

[snow66!]

In Gringos myopic fantasy world, the levant was all sun-shine and rainbows, then the evil Jews came along in the 20th century after living in Europe for nearly two thousand years. They just suddenly decided to go to extreme lengths to create a Jewish state at this particular time period.

The Holocaust was of no relevance and played no role in their motives at all. Amin al-Husseini the preeminent Palestinian leader from the 1920s to the late 1940s who had his own SS squads, visited Nazi concentration camps and went out his way to prevent Jews from escaping the continent (even when it was clear the war was lost) did not justify the resentment and animosity the Jews had towards the Palestinians.

The Jews did not show the same determination or willingness to return to Israel when Emperor Napoleon started floating the idea in the late 1800s. It did not seem to cross their minds much in 1099 when the Crusaders had taken Palestine from the Muslims and ruled it for 200 years. Why? simply because there was not enough to plunder and ruin, why else would white colonialists not participate in white colonialism? The holocaust does not come into the equation because they simply cannot have a rational motive, its all coincidental.

Thanks, Dave! And as I was saying to, gringo, weren't many of the European Jews and Holocaust survivors descendants of the Canaanites or Levant people?