Author Topic: Did Jeremy accuse West of lying by saying that he recorded the time as 3:36?  (Read 3920 times)

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Offline Jane

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Some time ago, I saw a clip of PC West being asked about this and he said ".... if Jeremy called after Nevill, I would have said to him, your father has just called ... why didn't I? Because he didn't"


Which sounds so reasonable, one can't possibly believe such wasn't the case, and for the most sensible of reasons. At that stage of the game, ie right at the start of proceedings, it was just another call. No reason to suspect the guy making the call was anything other than concerned about his father. Naturally, had said father made a distress call, prior to the son's call, West, if nothing else, would have tried to allay the son's concerns. WHY didn't he? West says it himself. There was NO prior call to JB's.

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Some time ago, I saw a clip of PC West being asked about this and he said ".... if Jeremy called after Nevill, I would have said to him, your father has just called ... why didn't I? Because he didn't"

I don't think that's quite right.  As far as I understand it there was one call from JB to Witham handled by PC West who logged this at 3.36am and made a written note as per the docs we see today.  Whilst JB was hanging on the line PC West phoned through to Chelmsford HQ and spoke with civilian operator Malcolm Bonnett who logged the call at 3.26am and made a written note, third person, as per the docs we see today.

In the documentary PC West said something like had NB called and spoken with MB before he, PC West, phoned JB's message through he would have expected MB to say something like...'that's funny Mick, NB has just called me', but he didn't say a word ie MB didn't say a word.  Hope that's clear!
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Offline Cambridgecutie

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How dumb can you get. In circumstances where there is likely to be danger to lives, the police do not divulge information from possible rogue callers. For all he knew JB could have been anybody since he did not know him personally or his voice. In these circumstances it is right that they try to gain fresh information without disclosing the information they have. Information that may help with say the construction of an alibi. West is a liar

Today we see examples where a crime has been committed but the police withhold information when they speak to the press.  They openly say they are not going to give out certain information in front of the cameras. In the early stages of an incident the same rules apply.

No GDPR back in the day.  In any case you have got the wrong end of the stick.
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No GDPR back in the day.  In any case you have got the wrong end of the stick.

There are 2 reasons why there was no 03.36 call. 1 MB had already despatched CA07 to WHF so must have got his information from somewhere. 2 If JB called at 03.36 and West told MB he was on the line at 03.37. The call lasted seven or eight minutes. This means JB would have to drive at exceptional speed to do the journey to arrive at 03.50. The police said he was driving slowly.

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There are 2 reasons why there was no 03.36 call. 1 MB had already despatched CA07 to WHF so must have got his information from somewhere. 2 If JB called at 03.36 and West told MB he was on the line at 03.37. The call lasted seven or eight minutes. This means JB would have to drive at exceptional speed to do the journey to arrive at 03.50. The police said he was driving slowly.

The only call to the police was JB to PC West. 
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There are 2 reasons why there was no 03.36 call. 1 MB had already despatched CA07 to WHF so must have got his information from somewhere. 2 If JB called at 03.36 and West told MB he was on the line at 03.37. The call lasted seven or eight minutes. This means JB would have to drive at exceptional speed to do the journey to arrive at 03.50. The police said he was driving slowly.

Plus the police car which overtook him arrived at 3:48, so suppose Jeremy had then followed the police car and the same speed, Jeremy would have arrived at 3:48, so working back from 3:48, Jeremy would need to leave early enough to arrive at 3:48 - I would say that means Jeremy leaving his home at 3:38 at the latest.

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Did Jeremy accuse West of lying by saying that he recorded the time as 3:36?

It was only since 2010 that Jeremy said he rang the local police at 3:36 and the 3:26 call was a call from Nevill.

Did he originally use West of lying by saying that he recorded the time as 3:36? If Jeremy called at 3:36, that would mean his call to the local police was after his call to Julie Mugford.

Yes he did

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Yes he did

I thought someone had told me that. Please would you post a link to a source for this if you have one?