Pat Brown's Take On JB's Case (and David Bain's)

[Cambridgecutie]

MA and MSc are the same thing. It used to be arts but now it's science. When she did it, it was an MA, now it's a MSc.

MA and MSc are very different.  How do you know for sure she did it and if she did do it when she did it?

[Cambridgecutie]

It did 

Where's the evidence for this?

[Cambridgecutie]

She was speaking generically, but one example from the David Bain case would be he changed his story about whether he had entered all the rooms, or just his parents' rooms, as in the first trial.

Did he change his story?  I thought he always claimed he arrived home, carried out some chores, went to his room, found his .22 missing, went to the rooms of his siblings, then his mother's, then the computer room and found RB.  He then made the emergency call.

[Cambridgecutie]

Probably because he thought he was smarter than Jeremy. He was studying music and classics at Otago University. Both David and Jeremy had delusions of grandeur and considered themselves to have taken over the family unit. Both are on record as having stated they hated their father. Both felt suffocated in the familial environment, and both took the ultimate measure to extricate themselves from it.

What evidence exists that DB was "smarter" than JB?  What's your definition of "smarter"?  The rest is not evidence based just perceptions.

[Cambridgecutie]

No.  Although I believe JB to be innocent we do not share the same views on his case.  I do not believe most of what he claims eg Aga burns, NB was moved and/or his back burned, the police interefered with the soc, someone made a 999 call from inside WHF, NB called the police etc, etc.  I have my own version of events based on my own research.

I should clarify:  I do not believe the police interfered with the soc the way JB calims.

[Zoso]

MA and MSc are very different.  How do you know for sure she did it and if she did do it when she did it?

A degree in Psychology used to be an BA, it's now a BSc - same for a masters. So NO! They aren't different - mine is a BA, if I did it now, it would be a BSc. How do I know she did it? How do you know she didn't? Your reasoning for why she didn't is wrong so just accept it.

[Zoso]

Where's the evidence for this?

LOOK IT UP the arts changed to a science! Psychology USED to be a BA or an MA, now it's a BSc or an MSc.

https://www.ncl.ac.uk/undergraduate/degrees/c800/

[Steve_uk]

Did he change his story?  I thought he always claimed he arrived home, carried out some chores, went to his room, found his .22 missing, went to the rooms of his siblings, then his mother's, then the computer room and found RB.  He then made the emergency call.

Yes, he changed his story. He told Aunt Janice Clark he "only saw Mum and Dad". Then with the Laniet gurgling mistake he was forced to embellish.

[Steve_uk]

What evidence exists that DB was "smarter" than JB?  What's your definition of "smarter"?  The rest is not evidence based just perceptions.

Not really any evidence, apart from what may be in his own mind. He had failed some subjects a year previously and changed course, whereupon he was being more successful. But he was still trapped within the family unit, heard rumours that the family would disperse, and it was just too much to cope with after sixteen years spent in a compound in Papua New Guinea.

Like Jeremy Bamber, to escape from the prison in which you feel yourself confined you have to kill the prison guards..

[Adam]

No.  Although I believe JB to be innocent we do not share the same views on his case.  I do not believe most of what he claims eg Aga burns, NB was moved and/or his back burned, the police interefered with the soc, someone made a 999 call from inside WHF, NB called the police etc, etc.  I have my own version of events based on my own research.

What do you think Sheila was doing that Nevill. Suffiently for him to get out of bed and go downstairs?

[Cambridgecutie]

What do you think Sheila was doing that Nevill. Suffiently for him to get out of bed and go downstairs?

I've no idea.  It seems NB did go to bed given his side looks slept in with the covers flapped open to the left.  SC had a history of phoning NB during the night in a disturbed state.  Maybe she woke both NB and June but it was decided NB would go downstairs with June remaining in bed.  Maybe she woke June and June woke NB.  June was clearly in bed when she sustained her first gunshot wounds.  SC's bed does not look slept in.  No one will ever know.  We only know what the physical evidence at the soc tells us. 

[Adam]

I've no idea.  It seems NB did go to bed given his side looks slept in with the covers flapped open to the left.  SC had a history of phoning NB during the night in a disturbed state.  Maybe she woke both NB and June but it was decided NB would go downstairs with June remaining in bed.  Maybe she woke June and June woke NB.  June was clearly in bed when she sustained her first gunshot wounds.  SC's bed does not look slept in.  No one will ever know.  We only know what the physical evidence at the soc tells us.

Where is the source that Sheila used to phone Nevill in a disturbed state.

Do you think it would have to be very loud to wake Nevill. Which is a surprise if Sheila wanted to shoot everyone while they slept.

[Cambridgecutie]

A degree in Psychology used to be an BA, it's now a BSc - same for a masters. So NO! They aren't different -mine is a BA, if I did it now, it would be a BSc. How do I know she did it? How do you know she didn't? Your reasoning for why she didn't is wrong so just accept it.

I didn't have you down as being daft so think you're having a laugh!?  But anyway...

Anyone undertaking a psychology degree at Newcastle today would be on a BSc course because that is what it offers but there are plenty of universities offering BA courses in psychology:

https://www.essex.ac.uk/courses/ug00361/1/ba-psychology

Some universities offer BA's and BSc's in the same subject but the content is different.

From AI:

The main difference between a BA and BSc in Psychology lies in their focus: BA Psychology leans towards humanities, exploring social/cultural aspects with electives in arts, suited for counseling/HR; while BSc Psychology emphasizes natural sciences, demanding more math/stats/lab work, preparing for research, neuroscience, or clinical roles. A BA offers broader theory and human behavior context, whereas a BSc provides deeper scientific and analytical skills for research-intensive paths.

BA (Bachelor of Arts) in Psychology
Focus: Qualitative, social, cultural, and philosophical aspects of human behavior.
Coursework: Social psychology, developmental psychology, personality theory, often with electives in sociology, literature, or anthropology.
Skills: Strong understanding of human interaction, communication, and behavior in social contexts.
Career Paths: Counseling, social work, human resources (HR), education, journalism, advertising.

BSc (Bachelor of Science) in Psychology
Focus: Quantitative, scientific, and biological basis of behavior, with a strong research component.
Coursework: Includes more statistics, research methods, neuroscience, cognitive science, and lab work.
Skills: Analytical, experimental, data-driven, understanding brain function and scientific processes.
Career Paths: Research, neuroscience, data analysis, health tech, preparation for scientific PhDs/MDs.

How to Choose
Choose BA if: You're interested in helping professions, social dynamics, human communication, and a broader understanding of behavior.
Choose BSc if: You enjoy science, math, labs, research, and aim for careers in healthcare, neuroscience, or academia.

Check University Syllabi: Course offerings vary; check specific university programs for core psychology content and available electives.

Anyway back to Pat Brown.  She claims to have a BA in liberal arts from New York Uni and a MA in criminal justice from Boston.  Boston does not currently offer a MA in criminal justice just a MSc.  She does not present as someone with a MA or a MSc in criminal justice.  She presents more like a regular poster here ie poring over cases in a haphazard way. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Where is the source that Sheila used to phone Nevill in a disturbed state.

For those who don't wish to rely on JB's evidence, SC's neighbour provided evidence. 

Do you think it would have to be very loud to wake Nevill. Which is a surprise if Sheila wanted to shoot everyone while they slept.

It would depend on what stage of sleep NB was in whether he would wake easily or not.  According to RB June was a light sleeper and NB not.  As I said maybe SC woke June and NB but only NB got out of bed.

No one will ever know what SC's intention was leading up to the phone call.  The physical evidence shows NB made the call and SC opened fire on June in bed with NB dropping the phone going upstairs and sustaining his gunshot wounds on the landing and stairs.  SC then followed NB to the kitchen, beat him with the rifle and shot him another 4 times.     

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes, he changed his story. He told Aunt Janice Clark he "only saw Mum and Dad". Then with the Laniet gurgling mistake he was forced to embellish.

He said on the emergency call "They're all dead".  How would he know "They're all dead" if he hadn't observed them?