Pat Brown's Take On JB's Case (and David Bain's)

[Cambridgecutie]

https://www.bu.edu/academics/met/programs/criminal-justice/mcj/

On her Wiki page she claims to have a MA in Criminal Justice but as you have pointed out Boston Uni only offers a BSc (and MSc) in Criminal Justice.  No MA Master in Arts.

[Jane]

I have often wondered about the sort of people that get scammed and I now realise that its more than likely the likes of yourself and Steve.

I'm not naive enough to believe any of us are exclusively exempt from being scammed. It's not impossible that you've experienced such? Perhaps without being aware of it? It could be claimed that you've been scammed by JB?

[Jonathan]

On her Wiki page she claims to have a MA in Criminal Justice but as you have pointed out Boston Uni only offers a BSc (and MSc) in Criminal Justice.  No MA Master in Arts.

Maybe it used to be an MA

[Zoso]

On her Wiki page she claims to have a MA in Criminal Justice but as you have pointed out Boston Uni only offers a BSc (and MSc) in Criminal Justice.  No MA Master in Arts.

MA and MSc are the same thing. It used to be arts but now it's science. When she did it, it was an MA, now it's a MSc.

[Zoso]

Maybe it used to be an MA

It did 

[handymanz]

Each case deserved a couple of hours, rather than lumping them together. I think she suspected David Bain of being a copycat killer: both sons wanted a fresh start, both had access to a .22 weapon, both used a scapegoat to conceal their crimes, both were family annihilators.

I'd be surprised if at the time (1994) David Bain would have heard of the Jeremy Bamber case.
At the time it happened he would have been 13, after which it would have faded from any news items.

I'd only heard of the JB case back in 2012 when I watched a doco on Sky.
I was in the UK for 2 months May - July 1985.
 I can't remember the case making the news in Australia after returning there in late July 1985.

[Steve_uk]

Please provide an example.

She was speaking generically, but one example from the David Bain case would be he changed his story about whether he had entered all the rooms, or just his parents' rooms, as in the first trial.

[Steve_uk]

She is entitled to her point of view Steve but if she is going to slate someone who has be acquitted on line she should at least study the case in great detail. I don't think she has?

She picks out the salient points, mainly the crime scene evidence. She's not so bothered with the "he said, she said" scenario.

[Steve_uk]

If David Bain's premeditated plan was to blame it all on Robin, why would he mention Laniet's gurgling.

Probably a slip.

[Steve_uk]

More flawed logic and reason:

- If she suspected DB of being a copycat killer who was he attempting to copy?  If you are suggesting JB why would he choose to copy someone who ended up behind bars?   

- Both RB and SC may also have wanted a fresh start.  Both believers in an afterlife.
- Both RB and SC had access to a .22 weapon
- The prosecutions successfully argued at trial JB and DB used a scapegoat and were family annihilators.  DB later acquitted.  2 down, 1 to go 

Consider the case of Colin Howell: not one staged suicide but two!  Colin Howell's own confession some 18 years later brought him to justice.  According to the Police Ombudsman NI, the police investigation was "deeply flawed":

https://www.policeombudsman.org/investigation-reports/current-investigations/police-investigation-deeply-flawed

Probably because he thought he was smarter than Jeremy. He was studying music and classics at Otago University. Both David and Jeremy had delusions of grandeur and considered themselves to have taken over the family unit. Both are on record as having stated they hated their father. Both felt suffocated in the familial environment, and both took the ultimate measure to extricate themselves from it.

[Steve_uk]

I'd be surprised if at the time (1994) David Bain would have heard of the Jeremy Bamber case.
At the time it happened he would have been 13, after which it would have faded from any news items.

I'd only heard of the JB case back in 2012 when I watched a doco on Sky.
I was in the UK for 2 months May - July 1985.
 I can't remember the case making the news in Australia after returning there in late July 1985.

I'm not sure about that. Martin Bryant's rampage occurred a month after Dunblane. You're also forgetting that Jeremy Bamber had travelled to New Zealand on a previous occasion. I would bet less than 1% of Brits have ever visited the country.

[Zoso]

Each case deserved a couple of hours, rather than lumping them together. I think she suspected David Bain of being a copycat killer: both sons wanted a fresh start, both had access to a .22 weapon, both used a scapegoat to conceal their crimes, both were family annihilators.

I doubt he was a copycat, who copies the method of someone who got caught?

[handymanz]

I'm not sure about that. Martin Bryant's rampage occurred a month after Dunblane. You're also forgetting that Jeremy Bamber had travelled to New Zealand on a previous occasion. I would bet less than 1% of Brits have ever visited the country.

I think killing 30 plus random people, would make more news and remain in the memory a lot more than a family bust up resulting in 5 from within the same family being killed.

Martin Bryant had a low IQ.
Dunblane was the mass killing of innocent children so that would have made big international news compared to WHF.
The Bain family murders were 9 years after WHF.

[Cambridgecutie]

I'm not naive enough to believe any of us are exclusively exempt from being scammed. It's not impossible that you've experienced such? Perhaps without being aware of it? It could be claimed that you've been scammed by JB?

No.  Although I believe JB to be innocent we do not share the same views on his case.  I do not believe most of what he claims eg Aga burns, NB was moved and/or his back burned, the police interefered with the soc, someone made a 999 call from inside WHF, NB called the police etc, etc.  I have my own version of events based on my own research. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Maybe it used to be an MA

I did say that in an earlier post.