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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2026, 07:27:PM »
yes I know about this Steve, but two gun enthusiasts? come on point me to a expert saying this?
   
I think the significance is that a photograph exists in Ewen Smith's office in Birmingham. The latter neither denied its existence nor gainsaid the claims.

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #61 on: January 05, 2026, 07:28:PM »
Her blood in it would incriminate Bamber.
No, not if the silencer was placed beside her in the pool of blood beside the bible, Adam!

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #62 on: January 05, 2026, 07:32:PM »
No, not if the silencer was placed beside her in the pool of blood beside the bible, Adam!


But it wasn't! You're simply trying to recreate the entire thing -despite evidence to the contrary- to suit a fiction.

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #63 on: January 05, 2026, 07:32:PM »

It doesn't need a whole brain to work out that it's not something Sheila would have done. Had she been the meticulous type, she may well have thought to tidy up -had she been responsible, that it!- but she wasn't 'wired' for domesticity. What reason would she have to crawl into the back of a cupboard to hide an appendage to the weapon she'd used to kill her family?
Yes, if the silencer was used that night the killer would certainly have needed to crawl into the cupboard, Jane, or else move that table and chair out of the way!

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2026, 07:37:PM »

But it wasn't! You're simply trying to recreate the entire thing -despite evidence to the contrary- to suit a fiction.
No, Rob was merely pointing out that all JB had to do was leave the silencer beside Sheila and he was home and dry, Jane!
We know this didn't happen, and are asking why?

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2026, 07:37:PM »
No, not if the silencer was placed beside her in the pool of blood beside the bible, Adam!

Where was this pool that would create the back spatter effect inside the silencer?
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2026, 07:53:PM »
But it wouldn't matter if the silencer was sent for testing, HB! What would it prove? In what way would it point to JB?
He couldn’t know what testing might later reveal if the silencer had been used, and with it attached the rifle was too long for the way Sheila was shot. Removing it solved that problem and reduced evidence found at the scene.  If Sheila had removed it herself, there should be clear signs of deliberate handling, unscrewing the silencer he would have to put Sheila’s prints on,  unscrewing a tight silencer requires deliberate handling and force, which should leave clear indications. Removing it makes sense in staging suicide for something that couldn’t be used.  Why leave out something that you can hide anyway?

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #67 on: January 05, 2026, 07:59:PM »
No, not if the silencer was placed beside her in the pool of blood beside the bible, Adam!
Wheres this pool of blood, it’s hardly a pool of blood beside the bible.
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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #68 on: January 05, 2026, 08:04:PM »
No, Rob was merely pointing out that all JB had to do was leave the silencer beside Sheila and he was home and dry, Jane!
We know this didn't happen, and are asking why?
How was he home and Dry, Mugford came forward first and caused the investigation to change course.  So no he wasn’t home and dry.
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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2026, 08:09:PM »
How was he home and Dry, Mugford came forward first and caused the investigation to change course.  So no he wasn’t home and dry.
Well he would have been home and dry regarding the silencer, HB, then Mugfords evidence would have held far less weight!

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2026, 08:11:PM »
Julie didn't mention the silencer. Had she done so it might have been game over.

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2026, 08:17:PM »
Well he would have been home and dry regarding the silencer, HB, then Mugfords evidence would have held far less weight!
So he wasn’t home and dry then, it was Mugford  that brought him in for questioning as a suspect and not the Silencer evidence.

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2026, 08:46:PM »
No, Rob was merely pointing out that all JB had to do was leave the silencer beside Sheila and he was home and dry, Jane!
We know this didn't happen, and are asking why?


At a guess, he didn't want it to be known that it had been used?

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2026, 09:08:PM »

At a guess, he didn't want it to be known that it had been used?
Ah now, ah now, ah now, Jane!!! This is where we start going round in circles again!
I thought the claim was that he was going to leave the silencer attached to the rifle, but when he laid it onto Sheila and realized it was too long for her to commit suicide 'only then' was he forced to remove it and hide it in the gun cupboard??

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Re: Why is the gun cupboard empty
« Reply #74 on: January 05, 2026, 09:39:PM »
Ah now, ah now, ah now, Jane!!! This is where we start going round in circles again!
I thought the claim was that he was going to leave the silencer attached to the rifle, but when he laid it onto Sheila and realized it was too long for her to commit suicide 'only then' was he forced to remove it and hide it in the gun cupboard??


I'm not quite sure why you think it so important to differentiate between his realization that the rifle was too long for Sheila to shoot herself with the silencer attached, causing him to hide it at the back of the cupboard, or merely thinking he might have made a bit of a blunder and placing it there. Either way, for whatever reason, he put it there.