Why is the gun cupboard empty

[Rob_]

  Of course the silencer would be located at some stage, but being found later doesn’t automatically make it suspicious,  being found at the scene matters to Bamber because it becomes part of the crime scene.  I suppose killers in a panic routinely stop to observe blood-flow patterns before making decisions to placements of the Silencer.

Being a competent shooter doesn’t mean he’d practised staging suicides,   this wasn’t something he’d ever done before.  So firearm experience doesn’t automatically mean your rehearsed in decisions of this nature.

There was no silencer on the gun that night is my view it makes little difference to human ears it's to stop vermin fleeing before the bullet arrives. He had months to prepare he would have known how he was going to stage Sheila at least.

[Hardy Boy]

Not if he knew there were loose ends in the house that needed tidying up, the silencer and hidden phone for example.

Bamber could never be sure he was safe, someone could come forward days or weeks latter saying they saw a cyclist on the sea wall in the middle of the night or something like that on hearing of the tragedy.

No killer can ever be sure of being safe, does that stop them….no it doesn’t.  The moment they leave the house they take the risk of being seen.  Saying they saw a cyclist on the sea wall a month after doesn’t automatically mean it’s Bamber, he has to be recognised and identified as well, yes it might go against him but it doesn’t automatically convict him.

If everyone could commit murder and know they were safe I’m sure there would be a lot more murders committed.

He wouldn’t be bothered once the Police had finished their investigation as far as he was concerned it was accepted as murder suicide.

[Hardy Boy]

There was no silencer on the gun that night is my view it makes little difference to human ears it's to stop vermin fleeing before the bullet arrives. He had months to prepare he would have known how he was going to stage Sheila at least.

It matters not how many months he prepared, real time events and happenings differ anyway.

[snow66!]

Again, that might have caused problems for him, because blood doesn’t conveniently pool under an object already lying on the floor,  it flows around it, leaving voids, edges, or patterns that would draw attention,  and it wouldn’t necessarily flow inside the silencer, why take that risk when removing it from the scene was a better option for him?

No, thinking about it I agree with Rob, HB!
Leaving the silencer beside Sheila where there is considerable blood was a fail-safe thing to do!
He would have been home and dry as Rob says!

[Jane]

Not if he knew there were loose ends in the house that needed tidying up, the silencer and hidden phone for example.

Bamber could never be sure he was safe, someone could come forward days or weeks latter saying they saw a cyclist on the sea wall in the middle of the night or something like that on hearing of the tragedy.

But you're thinking with your own mind set. I imagine it would take a high degree of confidence to plan and pull of something so huge.

[Jane]

Sheila never touched the silencer that night Jane, I would have thought Bamber would have got a spare silencer a chucked it in the sea if he was going to use one?

After all he is going to shoot five people, it's no ordinary crime he would have expected the police to be highly suspicious.

All it would need was a broken cobweb around one of the windows and the police would be sniffing all over the place.

WHY would he? He planned the whole thing to make it look like Sheila had done it!

[Steve_uk]

But you see, Adam, you're kind of going round in circles in a way!
You say JB used the silencer and shot Sheila, but then you say he couldn't just leave the silencer beside Sheila because the police would test it and find her blood in it! Fair enough, thats a good point!
But!!!! If JB had worked out that Sheila's blood may be inside the silencer, why indeed didn't he clean it before returning it to the cupboard?? Knowing that if the police found it, it may still be tested?

I suppose he didn't want to risk getting blood on his person. As it was, there was blood spatter on his clothing, but this was analysed too late for any conclusive results.

[Steve_uk]

the two shots to Sheila are contact shots Snow and there is no evidence the silencer was on the rifle when she was shot. So whether JB is guilty or innocent Sheila's blood should no have even been in the silencer.

If Bamber leaves the silencer beside Sheila in a area of high blood flow he is home and dry in my view. If he leaves it in the cupboard he gives it a dam good clean first! and to make sure he does not let anyone have the keys to the house!         

Did you ever read the Andrew Hunter book draft, Rob? There's a paragraph on two gun enthusiasts, who were shown a photograph in Ewen Smith's office, which purport to show a silencer mark on Sheila's neck.

[Steve_uk]

The following story will confirm the suspicion of the Jeremy supporters: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37811072/nurse-shoots-sons-grandmother-murder-suicide/

[Hardy Boy]

No, thinking about it I agree with Rob, HB!
Leaving the silencer beside Sheila where there is considerable blood was a fail-safe thing to do!
He would have been home and dry as Rob says!

If it draws attention, it isn’t fail-safe, leaving the silencer out next to Sheila’s body would require investigation, did she use it to shoot the others, at what point did she remove it, and why.  The silencer would be sent straight away for testing.

[snow66!]

If it draws attention, it isn’t fail-safe, leaving the silencer out next to Sheila’s body would require investigation, did she use it to shoot the others, at what point did she remove it, and why.  The silencer would be sent straight away for testing.

But it wouldn't matter if the silencer was sent for testing, HB! What would it prove? In what way would it point to JB?

[Rob_]

Did you ever read the Andrew Hunter book draft, Rob? There's a paragraph on two gun enthusiasts, who were shown a photograph in Ewen Smith's office, which purport to show a silencer mark on Sheila's neck.

yes I know about this Steve, but two gun enthusiasts? come on point me to a expert saying this?
     

[Rob_]

If it draws attention, it isn’t fail-safe, leaving the silencer out next to Sheila’s body would require investigation, did she use it to shoot the others, at what point did she remove it, and why.  The silencer would be sent straight away for testing.

Sheila sits on the floor to shoot herself, finds the silencer on the rifle makes it too long so removes it and leaves it beside her.

What is the problem with this?

[Jane]

But it wouldn't matter if the silencer was sent for testing, HB! What would it prove? In what way would it point to JB?

It doesn't need a whole brain to work out that it's not something Sheila would have done. Had she been the meticulous type, she may well have thought to tidy up -had she been responsible, that it!- but she wasn't 'wired' for domesticity. What reason would she have to crawl into the back of a cupboard to hide an appendage to the weapon she'd used to kill her family?

[Adam]

But it wouldn't matter if the silencer was sent for testing, HB! What would it prove? In what way would it point to JB?

Her blood in it would incriminate Bamber.