Why is the gun cupboard empty

[Adam]

It would then need to be explained why Sheila needed a silencer

He could say he went out to shoot rabbits with silencer attached. Which is more plausible than saying he went out minus silencer.

[Adam]

Lots of mistakes by Jeremy. Before, during and afterwards.

That is why people are in prison. Mistakes & good detective work.

Jeremy's been battling for 41 years. But always going to be hard for him with incriminating evidence coming at him from all directions.

[ILB]

Lots of mistakes by Jeremy. Before, during and afterwards.

That is why people are in prison. Mistakes & good detective work.

Jeremy's been battling for 41 years. But always going to be hard for him with incriminating evidence coming at him from all directions.

Dealt the hand you have to play it.

[snow66!]

His big mistake wasn't not putting the silencer back. But not putting it under a tap beforehand.

Wet blood, paint & the grey hair would have been washed down the sink.

But you see, Adam, you're kind of going round in circles in a way!
You say JB used the silencer and shot Sheila, but then you say he couldn't just leave the silencer beside Sheila because the police would test it and find her blood in it! Fair enough, thats a good point!
But!!!! If JB had worked out that Sheila's blood may be inside the silencer, why indeed didn't he clean it before returning it to the cupboard?? Knowing that if the police found it, it may still be tested?

[ILB]

His big mistake wasn't not putting the silencer back. But not putting it under a tap beforehand.

Wet blood, paint & the grey hair would have been washed down the sink.

His big mistake was contemplating the crime in the first instance.  Then carrying it out.

He would have had a comfortable life had he not done what he is convicted of doing.

[Bubo bubo]

I believe the 2nd photo you have posted was taken at a later date.

When? By who? Why? Either DB is lying or somebody emptied the cupboard.

[Adam]

But you see, Adam, you're kind of going round in circles in a way!
You say JB used the silencer and shot Sheila, but then you say he couldn't just leave the silencer beside Sheila because the police would test it and find her blood in it! Fair enough, thats a good point!
But!!!! If JB had worked out that Sheila's blood may be inside the silencer, why indeed didn't he clean it before returning it to the cupboard?? Knowing that if the police found it, it may still be tested?

Not washing the silencer was a mistake. Whether he left it beside Sheila or in the gun cupboard.

More likely for the blood to get tested if it was next to Sheila. To determine who received contact shots.

It only got tested from the gun cupboard because the relatives went searching. Jeremy must take some of the blame for that as he could have stayed around.

[snow66!]

Not washing the silencer was a mistake. Whether he left it beside Sheila or in the gun cupboard.

More likely for the blood to get tested if it was next to Sheila. To determine who received contact shots.

It only got tested from the gun cupboard because the relatives went searching. Jeremy must take some of the blame for that as he could have stayed around.

Some of the blame? If guilty, he was a complete bampot! he told the police that a silencer existed for the rifle within hours of the murders taking place! Extraordinary, Adam!

[Adam]

The main mistakes he made with the silencer were -

Saying he went out to shoot rabbits minus silencer.

Not washing it before putting it away.

Not staying around WHF for longer.

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Points 2 & 3 are mistakes because he was not aware of back spatter & that the rifle had aquired paint.

Putting the silencer away would not have been a mistake if he had washed it first.

Still should have stayed around longer & been the only person going in & out of WHF.

[snow66!]

The main mistakes he made with the silencer were -

Saying he went out to shoot rabbits minus silencer.

Not washing it before putting it away.

Not staying around WHF for longer.

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Points 2 & 3 are mistakes because he was not aware of back spatter & that the rifle had aquired paint.

Putting the silencer away would not have been a mistake if he had washed it first.

Still should have stayed around longer & been the only person going in & out of WHF.

But there you go again, Adam! If he wasn't aware of backspatter, why not leave the silencer beside Sheila?
You could say, well he had shot all the victims at close range and had quite rightly concluded that some of their blood may have got onto the outside of the silencer at least! But again, why return it to the gun cupboard without cleaning it? Makes no sense!

[Hardy Boy]

But you see, Adam, you're kind of going round in circles in a way!
You say JB used the silencer and shot Sheila, but then you say he couldn't just leave the silencer beside Sheila because the police would test it and find her blood in it! Fair enough, thats a good point!
But!!!! If JB had worked out that Sheila's blood may be inside the silencer, why indeed didn't he clean it before returning it to the cupboard?? Knowing that if the police found it, it may still be tested?

Leaving the silencer beside Sheila would guarantee it was taken by the police, and examined and treated as evidence.  Putting it back in the cupboard reduces this.   He may well have thought it was clean enough, or that removing it from the scene was sufficient. The question is…….. do you think Sheila put the silencer back in the cupboard herself?

You also have to remember, Glynis Howard reported minute staining, we’re talking fractions here and not as obvious to someone in panic and in a hurry, it is precisely the sort of size in staining someone could believe they had wiped away and he wouldn’t have known or seen the blood inside the silence.

Leaving it out makes it obvious and would demand an explanation,   putting it away requires little explanation (I left the rifle out minus the silencer) it would only then become evidence if it was suspected as being used.  So forget the blood for a minute Snow, someone trying to stage a scene would not leave out objects that would draw attention, the silencer laying beside Sheila would most certainly have drawn attention and raise Questions in my opinion?

[Hardy Boy]

But there you go again, Adam! If he wasn't aware of backspatter, why not leave the silencer beside Sheila?
You could say, well he had shot all the victims at close range and had quite rightly concluded that some of their blood may have got onto the outside of the silencer at least! But again, why return it to the gun cupboard without cleaning it? Makes no sense!

How do you know he didn’t clean it?  He left minute traces hardly visible and not soaked in blood,  Bamber had two options,   leave it out or put it away. Putting it away almost worked,   leaving it out would only have raised questions much earlier.

Your talking in hindsight Snow, it’s easy after saying  he wouldn’t and should have done this, this was real time and his plan had to be altered….. We’re talking about a killer acting in panic,  someone who suddenly realised the silencer made the rifle too long for Sheila to have shot herself, and had already used two shots, one more than intended, and was now trying  to make it look like a suicide. People given that situation don’t think perfectly, they do make mistakes.

[Jane]

But there you go again, Adam! If he wasn't aware of backspatter, why not leave the silencer beside Sheila?
You could say, well he had shot all the victims at close range and had quite rightly concluded that some of their blood may have got onto the outside of the silencer at least! But again, why return it to the gun cupboard without cleaning it? Makes no sense!

Why would Sheila, if she'd just murdered her entire family, prior to committing suicide, bother to hide evidence of what she'd done? That makes even less sense!

[snow66!]

But there you go again, Adam! If he wasn't aware of backspatter, why not leave the silencer beside Sheila?
You could say, well he had shot all the victims at close range and had quite rightly concluded that some of their blood may have got onto the outside of the silencer at least! But again, why return it to the gun cupboard without cleaning it? Makes no sense!

No no, what i've said there is just nonsense! It obviously wouldn't matter whose blood was on, or inside the silencer except Sheila's!
If it was found beside Sheila that is!

[snow66!]

Leaving the silencer beside Sheila would guarantee it was taken by the police, and examined and treated as evidence.  Putting it back in the cupboard reduces this.   He may well have thought it was clean enough, or that removing it from the scene was sufficient. The question is…….. do you think Sheila put the silencer back in the cupboard herself?

You also have to remember, Glynis Howard reported minute staining, we’re talking fractions here and not as obvious to someone in panic and in a hurry, it is precisely the sort of size in staining someone could believe they had wiped away and he wouldn’t have known or seen the blood inside the silence.

Leaving it out makes it obvious and would demand an explanation,   putting it away requires little explanation (I left the rifle out minus the silencer) it would only then become evidence if it was suspected as being used.  So forget the blood for a minute Snow, someone trying to stage a scene would not leave out objects that would draw attention, the silencer laying beside Sheila would most certainly have drawn attention and raise Questions in my opinion?

Not sure about JB being in a hurry, HB? Not if he heated something up to burn Nevill!
Thinking about it, it seems a bit absurd to use the silencer at all and then hide it, after all, any human blood found on it would mean that it had been used, wouldn't it?
Nevill, June, Sheila the boys, it wouldn't matter!
Did JB really think that telling the police that the gun was left out without the silencer would suffice?
Very peculliar indeed!