Colour of burns

[Jane]

All we need is the height to the centre of the handle, HB!
Jane will hopefully find her measuring tape soon!
At a guess, I would say 14 inches/350mm.

I'm sure it's already been given! It's up to you to find it.

[snow66!]

Do we know if the CCRC have been given everything by Heidi Blake? i.e. the full phone call, all the emails they exchanged

I have no idea, Jonathan!
But surely they are not going to waste the money from the fundraiser without having something solid to argue with?

[snow66!]

If the body is positioned on its side in a way that the head is not supported, for example, if the head is near the edge of a surface, over a gap, or propped at an angle without support, gravity will cause the head to fall or droop downward until it reaches a point of support or stability.

Forensic investigators use the pattern of livor mortis to help determine the body's position at the time of death and whether it has been moved, as the pooled blood becomes "fixed" (permanent) after a number of hours

Yes, but remember my scenario has Nevill alive while he's lying against the Aga, HB!

[snow66!]

Do you think Curly, Larry and Snow would understand it  though Cutie

Ha ha! very good, HB, very good!

[snow66!]

No one needs to prove their innocence either at trial or at any subequent CoA hearing.  Often this is simply not possible because there is not any evidence available to prove definitive innocence (or guilt). 

At trial the burden of proof is with the prosecution to prove the defendant is guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt'.  That's a pretty low bar.  In JB's case it was done 10/2 majority.

At any subsequent CoA hearing the burden is with the defence to show 'fresh evidence' which fundamentally alters a key aspect of the case against JB at trial to the extent that 3 appeal court judges will think ' oh just wow, had jurors heard this at trial I bet they would not have returned the verdicts they did!'  And the only key aspect that will have this effect is undermining the blood/silencer. 

There was no 999 call.  Just the GPO linking the open line at WHF to EP.  Those that understand the case know this as it can be evidenced from the  physical evidence at soc by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  NB made the call to JB, NB hears gunshots upstairs (SC opening fire on June prone in bed) NB drops the handset where it was found and runs upstairs where he sustained his facial shots.  This can be proven from all the physical evidence captured at soc.  There was one phone call from WHF: NB to JB.  Claims that NB called EP and someone inside dialled 999 are wrong supported by all the physcial evidence.

Fine, Cutie! But the one problem with your scenario is that you dont address the marks on Nevills back! No one believes they are old war wounds.
As for the Milbank call, surely there must be more to it than we have been told else the CT wouldn't waste tens of thousands of pounds pursuing it?

[snow66!]

I'm sure it's already been given! It's up to you to find it.

Now Jane, that isn't very friendly!
Pretty please, could you just measure it one more time, for everyones sake.
Thankyou!

[Cambridgecutie]

Fine, Cutie! But the one problem with your scenario is that you dont address the marks on Nevills back! No one believes they are old war wounds.
As for the Milbank call, surely there must be more to it than we have been told else the CT wouldn't waste tens of thousands of pounds pursuing it?

Who is no one?  A handful of posters on an internet forum?  Have you canvassed my opinion to forensic scientists/pathologists?  I do not care if I am right or wrong about the marks.  I do know that I am right in saying that the marks, whatever they are, however they were caused are incapable of assisting JB with CCRC/CoA. 

There is not a scintilla of evidence of a 999 call from WHF; never has been, never will be. 

The CT continually waste resources pursuing lost causes. 

[Hardy Boy]

Ha ha! very good, HB, very good!

Ha Ha I thought you’d like it snow, thanks for taking it in the right spirit 👍

[snow66!]

Who is no one?  A handful of posters on an internet forum?  Have you canvassed my opinion to forensic scientists/pathologists?  I do not care if I am right or wrong about the marks.  I do know that I am right in saying that the marks, whatever they are, however they were caused are incapable of assisting JB with CCRC/CoA. 

There is not a scintilla of evidence of a 999 call from WHF; never has been, never will be. 

The CT continually waste resources pursuing lost causes.

But surely JBs lawyers have a duty to tell him if the Milbank phone call is a waste of time and money, Cutie?

[Hardy Boy]

Who is no one?  A handful of posters on an internet forum?  Have you canvassed my opinion to forensic scientists/pathologists?  I do not care if I am right or wrong about the marks.  I do know that I am right in saying that the marks, whatever they are, however they were caused are incapable of assisting JB with CCRC/CoA. 

There is not a scintilla of evidence of a 999 call from WHF; never has been, never will be. 

The CT continually waste resources pursuing lost causes.

To be honest it did make sense to me, I did read this about it… However, the presence of metal implants can be associated with skin discoloration or marks that might be mistaken for bruising, which typically occur during life as a result of, Metallosis: The corrosion or wear of metal implants over time can release metal ions into the surrounding tissue, causing a black or brown staining of the skin and underlying soft tissues (metallosis). But what put me off at the time, it would have shown on the X-ray don’t you think, or Drs notes from his practice.

I’d definitely go with that rather than a four hour knockout!

[Jonathan]

But surely JBs lawyers have a duty to tell him if the Milbank phone call is a waste of time and money, Cutie?

JB has plenty of time to spare and money is not much use to him

[Cambridgecutie]

To be honest it did make sense to me, I did read this about it… However, the presence of metal implants can be associated with skin discoloration or marks that might be mistaken for bruising, which typically occur during life as a result of, Metallosis: The corrosion or wear of metal implants over time can release metal ions into the surrounding tissue, causing a black or brown staining of the skin and underlying soft tissues (metallosis). But what put me off at the time, it would have shown on the X-ray don’t you think, or Drs notes from his practice.

I’d definitely go with that rather than a four hour knockout!

Well I still think the marks are connected with NB's back surgery either surgical hardware or scars.  Until an expert says otherwise I will continue with this belief. 

I am not sure whole body xrays were undertaken.  Could any hardware have slipped under the radar?  Did anyone check the victims' medical records?  I am sure SC's were reviewed but what about the other victims?  It was considered murder/suicide.  The pathologist confirmed cause of death was gunshot wounds.  The adult victims were quickly cremated.  Was there a need for medi records?  Afaik they have never surfaced in all the docs. 

[Cambridgecutie]

But surely JBs lawyers have a duty to tell him if the Milbank phone call is a waste of time and money, Cutie?

You would think so.

[David1819]

To be honest it did make sense to me, I did read this about it… However, the presence of metal implants can be associated with skin discoloration or marks that might be mistaken for bruising, which typically occur during life as a result of, Metallosis: The corrosion or wear of metal implants over time can release metal ions into the surrounding tissue, causing a black or brown staining of the skin and underlying soft tissues (metallosis). But what put me off at the time, it would have shown on the X-ray don’t you think, or Drs notes from his practice.

I’d definitely go with that rather than a four hour knockout!

This is what Metallosis from surgical implants looks like. There are also no surgical scars on Nevils back marks contrary to the example below.

[snow66!]

This is what Metallosis from surgical implants looks like. There is also no surgical scars on Nevils back marks contrary to the example below.

Ha ha! For a minute there, Dave, I thought that was a different part of the body!