Colour of burns

[Hardy Boy]

Not sure what you mean about photo? He says 4 inches. Not sure how that would be worked out.

Sorry Roch, my mistake, I was in bed when I put the 14 inches on my iPhone, I was referring to the photo you’ve put up?   You’ve made it easier for me now 😂😂😂

A. The crime scene photo shows two chairs blocking their entrance (A in figure 1 above) . If these were not moved (as claimed) then how did they get past a 4” gap between the door and the wall.

Bear in mind that this photo was taken after the Event, how dies the Doc bMaker know it was 4inches, who measured it for him, when was it measured, which officer recorded the 4 inches gap?  If he’s got record of this I do apologise, it would be nice to see it though.

[Hardy Boy]

How did the police officers get past chairs?

Bear in mind that photo’s can be very deceiving, especially at angles.  These photo’s were taken after the TFG officers had entered, and the whole argument centres around the TFG moving Neville from the Aga floor to the chair that the Doc maker is referring to.

Let’s flip it slightly, why would the TFG move Neville or Chairs into this position leaving a four inch Gap as claimed by the Doc maker, especially at  the door they were using as entry and exit points.  The officers never claimed that Neville stopped entry, they simply said he was behind the door when they entered (meaning they was inside the kitchen) and  he was seated nearer to the Aga, so when the door was opened Neville would then be behind it and not in front of it?  The chairs or Neville must have been passable or other officers wouldn’t be able to enter?

Right then we have, Multiple senior officers and a doctor entered via the same White side door, after the TFG had left and supposedly repositioned Neville,  as claimed. And couldn’t get passed chairs,
   1   Chief Inspector Gibbons, Harris
   2   Dr Craig
   3   Detective Chief Inspector Jones
   4   Detective Inspector Cook
   5   Scenes of Crime officers

Therefore:
If the chairs and  Neville’s body made entry physically impossible, then, Those officers could not have entered, or how did those officers enter, or if entry was that difficult, the TFG would have advised to use the Front door for entrance and not disturb the crime scene.

So we’re led to believe that the TFG supposedly repositioned Neville before those entries,  and somehow placed him in the exact position that later allowed repeated access by other officers?


Trained officers, doctors, and SOCO staff still walked through that doorway, not once but Multiple times and Using the same route, and Without any comment from anyone to say it was impassable, A doorway that multiple officers walked through AFTER the event cannot suddenly become impassable Roch just because someone needed it to be!

[Hardy Boy]

Yes I did because I knew from his COLP interview that he went back in September not August as you were inferring with your AE clean up. The statement is true but the inference is misleading. All Manner of thinks could have happened in the meantime.

What’s misleading here isn’t my wording,  it’s your assumption as usual. Saying “after the clean-up” is not the same as pinning a precise date, and I never did give a date.   You don’t like it because the photo of the Blood staining on the rug taken matches exactly where the blood pooling was found on entry.

Ha Ha your all manner of things could have happened is purely your escape route, All manner of things is what people say when evidence show’s something that they Din’t like!

[Hardy Boy]

Snow still battling away. Sheila knocks Nevill out for 4 hours & then Nevill is able to ring Jeremy!"

It’s the last stand, Adam. The moving Nevill theory has been completely demolished by us, and Just like General Custer,  Snow’s now just left defending,  that’s because there’s nowhere left for him to retreat.  The four hours could actually be 5/6 hours unconsciousness or the convenient deep sleep,  remember it’s the very minimum 4 hours 😂😂😂🙈

[Hardy Boy]

It’s very so convenient how the timeline suddenly stretches to exactly the length needed to make the burns work. Were told Four hours, No one knew the Aga temperature at all anyway, Nevill supposedly phones Jeremy at 3.15/3.30am in the morning, he is then said to have made a 999 call, and the TFG don’t enter until 7:45am. And lo and behold,  the pig joint then just happens to take four hours to produce the right marks needed.  They must have set the temp to cook the joint?

Even worse, the stooge himself admits the Aga was too hot for him to place his neck against it…….The Doc Maker lying up against the AGA handles - I did not rest my neck on the handles because they were too HOT so the position is not accurate but I needed to see if my body had contact with all three points.

If the position is not accurate, then the result is meaningless. You can’t avoid the very contact you’re trying to test and still claim anything about alignment or burning.  Why not take the Photo of yourself before the Handle became too HOT and show it in the right place?  It’s a load of Convenient Rubbish, bottom line… If it was too hot to do accurately, it was too hot to prove anything. 

Too hot For me, is just the excuse used to move the contact point off the spine and enable the protruding handle to fall into the soft tissue,  and like I said earlier, for me They didn’t test what happened, they’re adjusting  it until it looked right for the Camera.

I notice the Doc Maker titles it Cooking Up a Lie - The AGA Affair. I AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT AND TITLE!

This is where the Doc Maker gets caught out: he’s perfectly happy resting his head  against the Hot oven door itself, yet suddenly the handles are too hot when it’s convenient for filming the contact point’s.

[Hardy Boy]

It’s very so convenient how the timeline suddenly stretches to exactly the length needed to make the burns work. Were told Four hours, No one knew the Aga temperature at all anyway, Nevill supposedly phones Jeremy at 3.15/3.30am in the morning, he is then said to have made a 999 call, and the TFG don’t enter until 7:45am. And lo and behold,  the pig joint then just happens to take four hours to produce the right marks needed.  They must have set the temp to cook the joint?

Even worse, the stooge himself admits the Aga was too hot for him to place his neck against it…….The Doc Maker lying up against the AGA handles - I did not rest my neck on the handles because they were too HOT so the position is not accurate but I needed to see if my body had contact with all three points.

If the position is not accurate, then the result is meaningless. You can’t avoid the very contact you’re trying to test and still claim anything about alignment or burning.  Why not take the Photo of yourself before the Handle became too HOT and show it in the right place?  It’s a load of Convenient Rubbish, bottom line… If it was too hot to do accurately, it was too hot to prove anything. 

Too hot For me, is just the excuse used to move the contact point off the spine and enable the protruding handle to fall into the soft tissue,  and like I said earlier, for me They didn’t test what happened, they’re adjusting  it until it looked right for the Camera.

This is where the Doc Maker gets caught out: he’s perfectly happy resting his head  against the Hot oven door itself, yet suddenly the handles are too hot when it’s convenient for filming the contact point’s.

I don’t question anyone for believing Bamber is innocent,  people are entitled to their view and I’m entitled to mine. What I will challenge is anyone trying to influence by cutting corners, and  bending facts, just to get a convicted murderer released.

If the police bent facts, that should also be exposed and I want it exposed with evidence, and not by inventing new one’s (make up an idea,  story, etc.) Two wrongs don’t cancel each other out.

[Cambridgecutie]

Bear in mind that photo’s can be very deceiving, especially at angles.  These photo’s were taken after the TFG officers had entered, and the whole argument centres around the TFG moving Neville from the Aga floor to the chair that the Doc maker is referring to.

Let’s flip it slightly, why would the TFG move Neville or Chairs into this position leaving a four inch Gap as claimed by the Doc maker, especially at  the door they were using as entry and exit points.  The officers never claimed that Neville stopped entry, they simply said he was behind the door when they entered (meaning they was inside the kitchen) and  he was seated nearer to the Aga, so when the door was opened Neville would then be behind it and not in front of it?  The chairs or Neville must have been passable or other officers wouldn’t be able to enter?

Right then we have, Multiple senior officers and a doctor entered via the same White side door, after the TFG had left and supposedly repositioned Neville,  as claimed. And couldn’t get passed chairs,
   1   Chief Inspector Gibbons, Harris
   2   Dr Craig
   3   Detective Chief Inspector Jones
   4   Detective Inspector Cook
   5   Scenes of Crime officers

Therefore:
If the chairs and  Neville’s body made entry physically impossible, then, Those officers could not have entered, or how did those officers enter, or if entry was that difficult, the TFG would have advised to use the Front door for entrance and not disturb the crime scene.

So we’re led to believe that the TFG supposedly repositioned Neville before those entries,  and somehow placed him in the exact position that later allowed repeated access by other officers?


Trained officers, doctors, and SOCO staff still walked through that doorway, not once but Multiple times and Using the same route, and Without any comment from anyone to say it was impassable, A doorway that multiple officers walked through AFTER the event cannot suddenly become impassable Roch just because someone needed it to be!

Well done for demolishing all this Aga/knockout/burns nonsense.  You obviously have the patience of a saint.  But remember they will soon move on to the next nonsensical theory.  It's the way they think. Is it a form of neurodiversity, mental illness or what?  I can understand how most believe JB guilty.  I can understand how some, like myself, think JB innocent; this usually hinges on basic theories about corruption and/or wrongdoing by the likes of DS Jones/relatives/FSS particularly around the silencer but I don't understand all these wild theories. 

I started watching the DocMaker that Roch uploaded.  I found looking at the depth of the alcove where the Aga is situated helps to give a better perspective on the proximity of the chair to the door. 

[Hardy Boy]

 

Well done for demolishing all this Aga/knockout/burns nonsense.  You obviously have the patience of a saint.  But remember they will soon move on to the next nonsensical theory.  It's the way they think. Is it a form of neurodiversity, mental illness or what?  I can understand how most believe JB guilty.  I can understand how some, like myself, think JB innocent; this usually hinges on basic theories about corruption and/or wrongdoing by the likes of DS Jones/relatives/FSS particularly around the silencer but I don't understand all these wild theories. 

I started watching the DocMaker that Roch uploaded.  I found looking at the depth of the alcove where the Aga is situated helps to give a better perspective on the proximity of the chair to the door.

Thanks Cutie, I wait for the right moment, like you I’ve been here a long time we should form a team, after all we have the same likes (football Utd, fitness) we’re just not on the same plain with Bamber though.  Read my last post, I don’t blame anyone for believing he is innocent.  Oh I’m sure Bubo will come up with his usual none sense, the police probably had a fry up, and moved the chairs for seating arrangement while they shot June.

[Hardy Boy]

I started watching the DocMaker that Roch uploaded.  I found looking at the depth of the alcove where the Aga is situated helps to give a better perspective on the proximity of the chair to the door.

You’re right about the alcove depth too,  photos can be misleading and That’s exactly why  measurements are so risky especially to put as Fact!

[Cambridgecutie]

It's quite a large article.

Part One of the Aga article:

https://open.substack.com/pub/thedocmaker/p/cooking-up-a-lie-the-aga-affair?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4tvp4h

Part Two of the Aga article:

https://open.substack.com/pub/thedocmaker/p/cooking-up-a-lie-the-aga-affair-part?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4tvp4h

Thanks for posting this up Roch.

I got to the first 27 seconds.  One slide states:

"The new evidence solves one of the most controversial issues in this case".

Anothe slide states:

"The new documentary will show how the jury were misled into believing Jeremy Bamber tortured his father with a rifle".

As far as I can see Roch the only misleading is coming from whoever put together this material.

As far as the judiciary is concerned the marks on NB's back are irrelevant.  The pathological evidence at trial regarding the marks was minimal and inconclusive. 

At what stage at trial did anyone assert that Jeremy Bamber tortured his father with a rifle?

The following is from the CoA doc.  It sets out the prosecution case against JB at trial.  Where does it refer to marks on NB's back and/or torturing?

151. The prosecution relied upon the following areas of evidence:

i) The appellant's expressed dislike of his family;

ii) His speaking of his plans to kill his family and thereafter his confessions to his girlfriend, Julie Mugford;

iii) The finding of his mother's bicycle at Goldhanger;

iv) The appellant's admitted ability to effect covert entry into and exit from the farmhouse and the finding of the hacksaw blade outside the bathroom window. His claim to have entered the house in that way after the first arrest was an attempt to explain these findings;

v) Because on the facts of the case it could only have been the appellant or Sheila Caffell who carried out the killings, the factors below proved they were not the responsibility of the appellant's sister:

a) Although seriously mentally ill, there had been no indication of any deterioration in her mental health in the days before the killings. Neither had she expressed any recent suicidal thoughts and the expert evidence was that she would not have harmed her children or her father;

b) Save for the appellant nobody had seen her use a gun and she had no interest in them. Sheila Caffell also had very poor co-ordination and would not have been capable of loading and operating the rifle nor would she have had the required knowledge to do so;

c) She would not have been able physically to have overcome her father (who was fit, strong and 6' 4" tall) during the struggle which undoubtedly took place before his death in the kitchen;

d) Her hands and feet were clean. They were not blood stained and neither was there any sugar upon them;

e) Hand swabs from her body did not reveal the levels of lead to be expected in somebody who must have re-loaded the magazine of the gun on at least two occasions; and

f) Her clothing was relatively clean and she was not injured in the way that might be expected of somebody involved in a struggle. Her long fingernails were still intact and undamaged.

vi) The sound moderator had on any view been attached to the rifle during the fight with Nevill Bamber in the kitchen. But if Sheila Caffell had committed suicide it must have been removed before she shot herself. The following aspects of the evidence established it was still in place on the gun when the appellant's sister was murdered:

a) The blood grouping analysis proved (on the particular facts of the case) that Sheila Caffell's blood was inside the moderator; and

b) Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

vii) The appellant's account of the telephone call from his father could be proved to be false for the following reasons:

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;

b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;

c) As a matter of common sense, Nevill Bamber would have called the police before the appellant;

d) Had the appellant really received such a call, he would have immediately made a 999 call, alerted the farm workers who lived close to the farmhouse and then driven at speed to his parents home; and

e) Instead he had spoken to Julie Mugford before calling the police. When he subsequently contacted the Police, it was not by way of the emergency system.

viii) He stood to inherit considerable sums of money.
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[Hardy Boy]

Yes I did because I knew from his COLP interview that he went back in September not August as you were inferring with your AE clean up. The statement is true but the inference is misleading. All Manner of thinks could have happened in the meantime.

No you didn’t I HAD to show you he went back to take pictures of the Aga Mantle, where do I mention August, that’s you who said that,  not me, and if YOU knew,  why did you post this.,….WHY  on earth would BIRD return to take photos. Where is evidence of this in his log book. In any case he went on holiday soon after the event and according to him went to take other samples 9-11 SEPTEMBER. This was his first return after the original 3 day investigation and the house being returned to the family

[Hardy Boy]

Thanks for posting this up Roch.

I got to the first 27 seconds.  One slide states:

"The new evidence solves one of the most controversial issues in this case".

Anothe slide states:

"The new documentary will show how the jury were misled into believing Jeremy Bamber tortured his father with a rifle".

As far as I can see Roch the only misleading is coming from whoever put together this material.

As far as the judiciary is concerned the marks on NB's back are irrelevant.  The pathological evidence at trial regarding the marks was minimal and inconclusive. 

At what stage at trial did anyone assert that Jeremy Bamber tortured his father with a rifle?

The following is from the CoA doc.  It sets out the prosecution case against JB at trial.  Where does it refer to marks on NB's back and/or torturing?

151. The prosecution relied upon the following areas of evidence:

i) The appellant's expressed dislike of his family;

ii) His speaking of his plans to kill his family and thereafter his confessions to his girlfriend, Julie Mugford;

iii) The finding of his mother's bicycle at Goldhanger;

iv) The appellant's admitted ability to effect covert entry into and exit from the farmhouse and the finding of the hacksaw blade outside the bathroom window. His claim to have entered the house in that way after the first arrest was an attempt to explain these findings;

v) Because on the facts of the case it could only have been the appellant or Sheila Caffell who carried out the killings, the factors below proved they were not the responsibility of the appellant's sister:

a) Although seriously mentally ill, there had been no indication of any deterioration in her mental health in the days before the killings. Neither had she expressed any recent suicidal thoughts and the expert evidence was that she would not have harmed her children or her father;

b) Save for the appellant nobody had seen her use a gun and she had no interest in them. Sheila Caffell also had very poor co-ordination and would not have been capable of loading and operating the rifle nor would she have had the required knowledge to do so;

c) She would not have been able physically to have overcome her father (who was fit, strong and 6' 4" tall) during the struggle which undoubtedly took place before his death in the kitchen;

d) Her hands and feet were clean. They were not blood stained and neither was there any sugar upon them;

e) Hand swabs from her body did not reveal the levels of lead to be expected in somebody who must have re-loaded the magazine of the gun on at least two occasions; and

f) Her clothing was relatively clean and she was not injured in the way that might be expected of somebody involved in a struggle. Her long fingernails were still intact and undamaged.

vi) The sound moderator had on any view been attached to the rifle during the fight with Nevill Bamber in the kitchen. But if Sheila Caffell had committed suicide it must have been removed before she shot herself. The following aspects of the evidence established it was still in place on the gun when the appellant's sister was murdered:

a) The blood grouping analysis proved (on the particular facts of the case) that Sheila Caffell's blood was inside the moderator; and

b) Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

vii) The appellant's account of the telephone call from his father could be proved to be false for the following reasons:

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;

b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;

c) As a matter of common sense, Nevill Bamber would have called the police before the appellant;

d) Had the appellant really received such a call, he would have immediately made a 999 call, alerted the farm workers who lived close to the farmhouse and then driven at speed to his parents home; and

e) Instead he had spoken to Julie Mugford before calling the police. When he subsequently contacted the Police, it was not by way of the emergency system.

viii) He stood to inherit considerable sums of money.

Correct Cutie, I did flag part of this up earlier, I did put this and no one answered, so I take iit as being untruthful


This was me asking  this question,   anyone serious ever claimed the rifle or moderator was glowing red at foundry temperatures while being used, or is it Strawman invented?

[Roch]

Thanks for posting this up Roch.

I got to the first 27 seconds.  One slide states:

"The new evidence solves one of the most controversial issues in this case".

Anothe slide states:

"The new documentary will show how the jury were misled into believing Jeremy Bamber tortured his father with a rifle".

As far as I can see Roch the only misleading is coming from whoever put together this material.

As far as the judiciary is concerned the marks on NB's back are irrelevant.  The pathological evidence at trial regarding the marks was minimal and inconclusive. 

At what stage at trial did anyone assert that Jeremy Bamber tortured his father with a rifle?

The following is from the CoA doc.  It sets out the prosecution case against JB at trial.  Where does it refer to marks on NB's back and/or torturing?

151. The prosecution relied upon the following areas of evidence:

i) The appellant's expressed dislike of his family;

ii) His speaking of his plans to kill his family and thereafter his confessions to his girlfriend, Julie Mugford;

iii) The finding of his mother's bicycle at Goldhanger;

iv) The appellant's admitted ability to effect covert entry into and exit from the farmhouse and the finding of the hacksaw blade outside the bathroom window. His claim to have entered the house in that way after the first arrest was an attempt to explain these findings;

v) Because on the facts of the case it could only have been the appellant or Sheila Caffell who carried out the killings, the factors below proved they were not the responsibility of the appellant's sister:

a) Although seriously mentally ill, there had been no indication of any deterioration in her mental health in the days before the killings. Neither had she expressed any recent suicidal thoughts and the expert evidence was that she would not have harmed her children or her father;

b) Save for the appellant nobody had seen her use a gun and she had no interest in them. Sheila Caffell also had very poor co-ordination and would not have been capable of loading and operating the rifle nor would she have had the required knowledge to do so;

c) She would not have been able physically to have overcome her father (who was fit, strong and 6' 4" tall) during the struggle which undoubtedly took place before his death in the kitchen;

d) Her hands and feet were clean. They were not blood stained and neither was there any sugar upon them;

e) Hand swabs from her body did not reveal the levels of lead to be expected in somebody who must have re-loaded the magazine of the gun on at least two occasions; and

f) Her clothing was relatively clean and she was not injured in the way that might be expected of somebody involved in a struggle. Her long fingernails were still intact and undamaged.

vi) The sound moderator had on any view been attached to the rifle during the fight with Nevill Bamber in the kitchen. But if Sheila Caffell had committed suicide it must have been removed before she shot herself. The following aspects of the evidence established it was still in place on the gun when the appellant's sister was murdered:

a) The blood grouping analysis proved (on the particular facts of the case) that Sheila Caffell's blood was inside the moderator; and

b) Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

vii) The appellant's account of the telephone call from his father could be proved to be false for the following reasons:

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;

b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;

c) As a matter of common sense, Nevill Bamber would have called the police before the appellant;

d) Had the appellant really received such a call, he would have immediately made a 999 call, alerted the farm workers who lived close to the farmhouse and then driven at speed to his parents home; and

e) Instead he had spoken to Julie Mugford before calling the police. When he subsequently contacted the Police, it was not by way of the emergency system.

viii) He stood to inherit considerable sums of money.

Hello Cambridge. Don't watch the video. Just read the articles.

[Jane]

It’s very so convenient how the timeline suddenly stretches to exactly the length needed to make the burns work. Were told Four hours, No one knew the Aga temperature at all anyway, Nevill supposedly phones Jeremy at 3.15/3.30am in the morning, he is then said to have made a 999 call, and the TFG don’t enter until 7:45am. And lo and behold,  the pig joint then just happens to take four hours to produce the right marks needed.  They must have set the temp to cook the joint?

Even worse, the stooge himself admits the Aga was too hot for him to place his neck against it…….The Doc Maker lying up against the AGA handles - I did not rest my neck on the handles because they were too HOT so the position is not accurate but I needed to see if my body had contact with all three points.

If the position is not accurate, then the result is meaningless. You can’t avoid the very contact you’re trying to test and still claim anything about alignment or burning.  Why not take the Photo of yourself before the Handle became too HOT and show it in the right place?  It’s a load of Convenient Rubbish, bottom line… If it was too hot to do accurately, it was too hot to prove anything. 

Too hot For me, is just the excuse used to move the contact point off the spine and enable the protruding handle to fall into the soft tissue,  and like I said earlier, for me They didn’t test what happened, they’re adjusting  it until it looked right for the Camera.

I notice the Doc Maker titles it Cooking Up a Lie - The AGA Affair. I AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT AND TITLE!

This is where the Doc Maker gets caught out: he’s perfectly happy resting his head  against the Hot oven door itself, yet suddenly the handles are too hot when it’s convenient for filming the contact point’s.

It can be seen by the crease in his neck, how he's straining to keep his head up. Had he been unconscious, his head would have dropped.

[Roch]

Bear in mind that photo’s can be very deceiving, especially at angles.  These photo’s were taken after the TFG officers had entered, and the whole argument centres around the TFG moving Neville from the Aga floor to the chair that the Doc maker is referring to.

Let’s flip it slightly, why would the TFG move Neville or Chairs into this position leaving a four inch Gap as claimed by the Doc maker, especially at  the door they were using as entry and exit points.  The officers never claimed that Neville stopped entry, they simply said he was behind the door when they entered (meaning they was inside the kitchen) and  he was seated nearer to the Aga, so when the door was opened Neville would then be behind it and not in front of it?  The chairs or Neville must have been passable or other officers wouldn’t be able to enter?

Right then we have, Multiple senior officers and a doctor entered via the same White side door, after the TFG had left and supposedly repositioned Neville,  as claimed. And couldn’t get passed chairs,
   1   Chief Inspector Gibbons, Harris
   2   Dr Craig
   3   Detective Chief Inspector Jones
   4   Detective Inspector Cook
   5   Scenes of Crime officers

Therefore:
If the chairs and  Neville’s body made entry physically impossible, then, Those officers could not have entered, or how did those officers enter, or if entry was that difficult, the TFG would have advised to use the Front door for entrance and not disturb the crime scene.

So we’re led to believe that the TFG supposedly repositioned Neville before those entries,  and somehow placed him in the exact position that later allowed repeated access by other officers?


Trained officers, doctors, and SOCO staff still walked through that doorway, not once but Multiple times and Using the same route, and Without any comment from anyone to say it was impassable, A doorway that multiple officers walked through AFTER the event cannot suddenly become impassable Roch just because someone needed it to be!

I don't think the written article attributes the moving / balancing of Nevill on the TFG specifically. But I can see why they might be a go-to option in people's minds. The structure that has been set up to balance Neville is quite elaborate.  If this was Nevill's natural resting place at his death, why would it be important for a killer to balance him?