Colour of burns

[Hardy Boy]

To be honest, HB, I think you're looking for problems with the Boyce experiment that dont exist!
Besides, the top mark on Nevills back is slightly out of line with the other two!

Don't make me laugh, Boyces Aga theory is built on Problems, it’s you who doesn’t want them to exist,   you can’t even answer the ones being pointed out. Height mismatch exists,  Protruding handles exist,  Body positioning away from the spine exists,  Temperature and timing uncertainty exist.

[snow66!]

Don't make me laugh, Boyces Aga theory is built on Problems, it’s you who doesn’t want them to exist,   you can’t even answer the ones being pointed out. Height mismatch exists,  Protruding handles exist,  Body positioning away from the spine exists,  Temperature and timing uncertainty exist.

What do you think most likely burned Nevills back, HB?
Or do you see the marks as a bit of a nuisance which should be hushed up?

[Hardy Boy]

What do you think most likely burned Nevills back, HB?
Or do you see them as a bit of a nuisance which should be hushed up?

To be honest, I don’t think the burns are decisive in relation to the murders,   they don’t prove anything either way. That doesn’t mean they should be hushed up,  they’re a  topic for discussion that’s all.

As for what caused them, I’ve already given my view. I tend to agree with Knight that they may have resulted from prodding from behind, but that’s my speculation, and not proof.

To be honest,  I challenge Boyce’s theory simply because I don’t accept it, for the reasons I’ve already given. Questioning a reconstruction isn’t attacking,    it’s testing whether it actually fits the  features of the Aga and the contact points involved, we will not have any influence whatsoever in the outcome, what do you want me to do when a topic is up for discussion, sit back and agree, if I wanted them hushed up I wouldn’t be discussing it would I?

[snow66!]

To be honest, I don’t think the burns are decisive in relation to the murders,   they don’t prove anything either way. That doesn’t mean they should be hushed up,  they’re a  topic for discussion that’s all.

As for what caused them, I’ve already given my view. I tend to agree with Knight that they may have resulted from prodding from behind, but that’s my speculation, and not proof.

To be honest,  I challenge Boyce’s theory simply because I don’t accept it, for the reasons I’ve already given. Questioning a reconstruction isn’t attacking,    it’s testing whether it actually fits the  features of the Aga and the contact points involved, we will not have any influence whatsoever in the outcome, what do you want me to do when a topic is up for discussion, sit back and agree, if I wanted them hushed up I wouldn’t be discussing it would I?

Well like I said, HB, i think the burns do point tp a guilty Sheila if you forget about the police moving Nevill.
Why do you think Bamber would be prodding Nevill?
When did he have a chance to do this?

[Adam]

What do you think most likely burned Nevills back, HB?
Or do you see the marks as a bit of a nuisance which should be hushed up?

Bamber did previously say it was a rifle barrel. Heated on an aga plate.

Which I agree with.

[snow66!]

Bamber did previously say it was a rifle barrel. Heated on an aga plate.

Which I agree with.

Ha ha! Well if he's guilty, he knows full well what burned Nevills back, Adam!

[Hardy Boy]

Well like I said, HB, i think the burns do point tp a guilty Sheila if you forget about the police moving Nevill.
Why do you think Bamber would be prodding Nevill?
When did he have a chance to do this?

Your asking a question that can’t be answered Snow, I’ve given mine as speculation only… You ask “why would Bamber be prodding Nevill?”   My question is can you exclude the possibility of the killer prodding Neville, You can’t, the same as I can’t exclude them being burn marks, 

there’s possibly several Mechanisms for it happening, it could have happened when he was seated and prodded from behind to see reaction and that’s why he got pushed forward into the coal Scuttle where his head lay.  Pushing and moving Neville from behind with the rifle in his back could have happened, older people bruise easily, so knight thought they were bruises, maybe they were?

questioning Boyce’s reconstruction isn’t an attack,   it’s what reconstructions are for. They don’t become facts just because Boyce says so.

[Rob_]

Well like I said, HB, i think the burns do point tp a guilty Sheila if you forget about the police moving Nevill.
Why do you think Bamber would be prodding Nevill?
When did he have a chance to do this?

Don't forget Snow the pajama top of Nevil's was ripped, have you seen the diagram?

[snow66!]

Don't forget Snow the pajama top of Nevil's was ripped, have you seen the diagram?

I had forgotten about that, Rob.
Do you think it catched on the Aga handle?

[snow66!]

Your asking a question that can’t be answered Snow, I’ve given mine as speculation only… You ask “why would Bamber be prodding Nevill?”   My question is can you exclude the possibility of the killer prodding Neville, You can’t, the same as I can’t exclude them being burn marks, 

there’s possibly several Mechanisms for it happening, it could have happened when he was seated and prodded from behind to see reaction and that’s why he got pushed forward into the coal Scuttle where his head lay.  Pushing and moving Neville from behind with the rifle in his back could have happened, older people bruise easily, so knight thought they were bruises, maybe they were?

questioning Boyce’s reconstruction isn’t an attack,   it’s what reconstructions are for. They don’t become facts just because Boyce says so.

Yes, but again, if Nevill was randomly prodded, why do the marks closely resemble the spacings of the Aga parts, HB? Thats the thing!

[Jane]

Yes, but again, if Nevill was randomly prodded, why do the marks closely resemble the spacings of the Aga parts, HB? Thats the thing!

Because they were running out of ideas and someone suggested that if they could make the marks fit with something other than a rifle/deflect from the rifle, it would take the heat off JB, who, naturally, thought it a spiffing idea. So they ran with it.

[Bubo bubo]

Yes, but again, if Nevill was randomly prodded, why do the marks closely resemble the spacings of the Aga parts, HB? Thats the thing!

When I first thought the burns were from the Aga I thought the drain tap was a good candidate to start with. At that time I did not think he was 'flush' against the Aga. I saw him moving slightly so that he burnt himself 3 times at different stages over time. Although because of the measurements the PB  version is most likely. Without adding more complexity it could be a combination, say one from the tap and two from the door area. That would be too much of a coincidence but they do happen.

[Hardy Boy]

Yes, but again, if Nevill was randomly prodded, why do the marks closely resemble the spacings of the Aga parts, HB? Thats the thing!

Closely resemble,  is a very vague phrase, Snow. It isn’t a measurement,   resemblance is interpretation, and not proof.

[Hardy Boy]

Well, time will tell, HB!
Sadly JB is running out of that commodity!

There’s no “time will tell” with your theory, Snow,  it hasn’t even got off the ground or left the runway.  You don’t agree with the Police Moving Neville so you’re grounded.

[snow66!]

There’s no “time will tell” with your theory, Snow,  it hasn’t even got off the ground or left the runway.  You don’t agree with the Police Moving Neville so you’re grounded.

Ha ha! yes i'm grounded, HB!
But I cant just agree with the CT theory for the sake of it, that would be wrong.