Colour of burns

[Cambridgecutie]

How does that make Sheila guilty? I know she was mentally ill, but there was nothing in her history to suggest that she inflicted violence on anyone but herself, and that was at a time prior to diagnosis, or after diagnosis when she wasn't taking prescribed medication. To ask anyone to believe she suddenly did a 360 degree turn around and slaughter her entire family along with the children she adored, is a big ask, especially when she'd only recently met her bio mother, and according to Colin, completely bonded with her!

It's a bit of a wild card to ask that she takes the blame because you think the FSS was corrupt and incompetent.

The totality of the physical evidence at soc supports a phone call from NB and SC as the killer. 

If the evidence presented at trial by FSS is shown to be wrong then the learned judges need to determine the probability of it altering jurors' verdicts had they heard it. 

[Cambridgecutie]

What I would say is, who are the CCRC to tell Boyce that he is wrong about the Aga burning Nevills back!
They either accept the evidence or get someone else to show that Boyce is wrong!
Gee whizz allmighty, HB! Without getting expert opinion about Boyce's Aga theory their decision about the issue is completely worthless and has no more value than yours or mine, surely?

The CCRC will simply reject it on the basis it does not undermine the central planks of the prosecution case. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Are you saying the CCRC can simply reject the Aga evidence without a second opinion, HB?

Yes if it isn't relevant to the central planks of the prosecution case which it isn't. 

The CCRC did seek a second opinion about the scratches on the mantle from Andy Laws at LGC forensics because it was relevant to a central plank of the prosecution case. 

What is difficult to understand about this.  The so-called Aga burns are going nowhere.  Period. 

[snow66!]

The CCRC will simply reject it on the basis it does not undermine the central planks of the prosecution case.

You think Nevill lying against the Aga for several hours doesn't undermine the police scenario, Cutie?
Well not if the police did move Nevill after entry right enough!
But thats why they have to rule on Nevill being moved before they can decide on the importance of the Aga evidence!

[snow66!]

Yes if it isn't relevant to the central planks of the prosecution case which it isn't. 

The CCRC did seek a second opinion about the scratches on the mantle from Andy Laws at LGC forensics because it was relevant to a central plank of the prosecution case. 

What is difficult to understand about this.  The so-called Aga burns are going nowhere.  Period.

Do you think JB and the team submitted the Aga evidence for fun, Cutie? nowing it would go nowhere?

[Adam]

The totality of the physical evidence at soc supports a phone call from NB and SC as the killer. 

If the evidence presented at trial by FSS is shown to be wrong then the learned judges need to determine the probability of it altering jurors' verdicts had they heard it.

No it does not.

You  cannot invent a conversation downstairs between a fully fit bare footed Nevill and Sheila.

To be fair you have always refused to do that.

[Bubo bubo]

Do you think JB and the team submitted the Aga evidence for fun, Cutie? nowing it would go nowhere?

From my perspective if there is evidence that NB was moved and attempts to cover this up were made then any part of the Crown's case is called into question as to whether that too is the whole truth. Including the work of the FSS I might add.
 

[Adam]

CC keeps repeating the same thing -  'The totality of the physical evidence at soc supports a phone call from NB and SC as the killer.'

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Seems she believes the bedroom shots were at Nevill on the stairs. Rather than Nevill next to June in bed.

Then contradicts herself by refusing to invent a pre shot conversation. Which can't be submitted at court anyway.

[snow66!]

From my perspective if there is evidence that NB was moved and attempts to cover this up were made then any part of the Crown's case is called into question as to whether that too is the whole truth. Including the work of the FSS I might add.

In that case the CT should try and prove that the burns were caused after death, Bubo!
Hence Nevill was dead lying against the Aga!

[snow66!]

CC keeps repeating the same thing -  'The totality of the physical evidence at soc supports a phone call from NB and SC as the killer.'

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Seems she believes the bedroom shots were at Nevill on the stairs. Rather than Nevill next to June in bed.

Then contradicts herself by refusing to invent a pre shot conversation. Which can't be submitted at court anyway.

Well at least I have Nevill knocked out and unable to chase Sheila upstairs, Adam.

[Bubo bubo]

In that case the CT should try and prove that the burns were caused after death, Bubo!
Hence Nevill was dead lying against the Aga!

Unfortunately we are back where we started in this aspect. We have gone full circle as I stated earlier. It depends on the full evidence including all the documentation and any reports made by PB as well as other elements for which we have no information. We are in a waiting for events to unfold situation.

There is also the 999 call issue where we are also waiting to see what happens next.

[Adam]

Well at least I have Nevill knocked out and unable to chase Sheila upstairs, Adam.

You are the other extreme - a 3 hour pre shot scenario!

[snow66!]

Unfortunately we are back where we started in this aspect. We have gone full circle as I stated earlier. It depends on the full evidence including all the documentation and any reports made by PB as well as other elements for which we have no information. We are in a waiting for events to unfold situation.

There is also the 999 call issue where we are also waiting to see what happens next.

Ha ha! yes, you're dead right, Bubo!
The CT are fundraising to challenge the CCRC about the Milbank phone call, not the Aga evidence!

[snow66!]

You are the other extreme - a 3 hour pre shot scenario!

No no, everyone was shot while Nevill was knocked out, Adam, not after he came round again!

[Bubo bubo]

In that case the CT should try and prove that the burns were caused after death, Bubo!
Hence Nevill was dead lying against the Aga!

It does not matter whether he was dead. Burns change once contact happens. Usually like any wound the healing process starts. Invariably this is blood being sent to the damaged area. Professor Knight did not commit because he did not see red areas around the wounds. Once death occurs other systems kick in which involves the dying of cells throughout the body. Skin status will depend on a huge number of factors especially age.

He could have been alive when he was first burnt for a period and burnt further after death so there is no way of telling how long he was alive or dead. What is clear that the wounds were black and that might be a way to analyse the situation. I have always thought that black was related to necrosis in living organisms.