Colour of burns

[Cambridgecutie]

Oh right, you put a good argument for Sheila being innocent that’s all, was it KE taking over in a memory relapse.

No.  Just trying to emphasise aspects of the case that underpin the conviction.  Until such time as these are seriously undermined in a very compelling way the conviction stands.  Even if the Aga theory stood up to scrutiny it will never go anywhere with CCRC/CoA.

[Adam]

So you are saying the CCRC will assume that the police did not move Nevill then, HB?
Well that makes it easier then, all they have to do is decide about the Aga burn evidence on its own, and if they accept it decide what it means!

If they just go by the raid team WS's & photos they will say Nevill was not moved by EP.

[Hardy Boy]

So you are saying the CCRC will assume that the police did not move Nevill then, HB?
Well that makes it easier then, all they have to do is decide about the Aga burn evidence on its own, and if they accept it decide what it means!

The CCRC it looks at evidence. The statements, position on entry and blood pooling all show Neville died where he was found. There’s no body movement to investigate, and a YouTube Aga video isn’t grounds to start interviewing anyone.

[Hardy Boy]

Do they do anything? they rejected over 50 sub-postmasters applications, you would think they would have seen an alarming pattern suspected something wrong and looked a bit deeper?

I agree Rob, I’m not sticking up for them, but I think Snow has got the wrong impression on  how they work and what’s needed.

[snow66!]

If they just go by the raid team WS's & photos they will say Nevill was not moved by EP.

Fine by me, Adam!

[snow66!]

I agree Rob, I’m not sticking up for them, but I think Snow has got the wrong impression on  how they work and what’s needed.

OK, i'm asking, HB!
How will the CCRC deal with Boyce's Aga theory?

[Hardy Boy]

No.  Just trying to emphasise aspects of the case that underpin the conviction.  Until such time as these are seriously undermined in a very compelling way the conviction stands.  Even if the Aga theory stood up to scrutiny it will never go anywhere with CCRC/CoA.

I don’t think the Aga evidence is a stand alone point anyway, I think it’s included in Police crime scene manipulation?  I think we could all be wrong, but you know as well I do what’s been put forward before and how proceeding have finished up, there could be something we’ve not been shown at the end of the day?

[Hardy Boy]

OK, i'm asking, HB!
What will the CCRC deal with Boyce's Aga theory?

I think it’s already been rejected provisionally Snow, it wasn’t a stand alone point raised was it?  I think it goes under Crime Scene Interference: Allegations of significant interference at the White House Farm crime scene by senior police officers, including one officer reportedly handling a bible and repositioning it, I think that was point four Snow?   I’ve never seen it as a stand alone point, I could be wrong though.

[Hardy Boy]

OK, i'm asking, HB!
What will the CCRC deal with Boyce's Aga theory?

Sorry I read your question Wrong,   My guess….The CCRC will assess Boyce’s Aga material on paper or video,  have a good Laugh (only joking) ,   Then decide whether it is new, material, and reliable material.   If it then doesn’t undermine the evidence relied on at trial, it will go no further. I don’t think They will investigate it, test it in anyway shape or form,  or interview anyone, or try to make it work or see if it works.  They will of course then couple all this in with the Police statements, the position Neville was found in, Blood pooling etc.

[snow66!]

Sorry I read your question Wrong,   My guess….The CCRC will assess Boyce’s Aga material on paper or video,  have a good Laugh (only joking) ,   Then decide whether it is new, material, and reliable material.   If it then doesn’t undermine the evidence relied on at trial, it will go no further. I don’t think They will investigate it, test it in anyway shape or form,  or interview anyone, or try to make it work or see if it works.  They will of course then couple all this in with the Police statements, the position Neville was found in, Blood pooling etc.

Are you saying the CCRC can simply reject the Aga evidence without a second opinion, HB?

[Hardy Boy]

Are you saying the CCRC can simply reject the Aga evidence without a second opinion, HB?

From who?

[Jane]

Because I think the FSS was corrupt and incompetent.

How does that make Sheila guilty? I know she was mentally ill, but there was nothing in her history to suggest that she inflicted violence on anyone but herself, and that was at a time prior to diagnosis, or after diagnosis when she wasn't taking prescribed medication. To ask anyone to believe she suddenly did a 360 degree turn around and slaughter her entire family along with the children she adored, is a big ask, especially when she'd only recently met her bio mother, and according to Colin, completely bonded with her!

It's a bit of a wild card to ask that she takes the blame because you think the FSS was corrupt and incompetent.

[Hardy Boy]

Are you saying the CCRC can simply reject the Aga evidence without a second opinion, HB?

If there’s No threshold met, they don’t need no second opinion.  The Burden is on Bamber to produce evidence strong enough to justify further scrutiny, if it’s doesn’t reach that threshold they don’t go chasing after someone to agree with a theory.  Do you honestly think every time the CCRC reject an application they have to get a second opinion?

[Hardy Boy]

Are you saying the CCRC can simply reject the Aga evidence without a second opinion, HB?

The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) is an independent public body. It operates as a stand-alone, non-departmental public body, separate from the police, the courts, and the government.  Independence: Its decisions on whether to refer a case back to an appeal court are made independently and impartially, without influence from external partners.

[snow66!]

If there’s No threshold met, they don’t need no second opinion.  The Burden is on Bamber to produce evidence strong enough to justify further scrutiny, if it’s doesn’t reach that threshold they don’t go chasing after someone to agree with a theory.  Do you honestly think every time the CCRC reject an application they have to get a second opinion?

What I would say is, who are the CCRC to tell Boyce that he is wrong about the Aga burning Nevills back!
They either accept the evidence or get someone else to show that Boyce is wrong!
Gee whizz allmighty, HB! Without getting expert opinion about Boyce's Aga theory their decision about the issue is completely worthless and has no more value than yours or mine, surely?