Colour of burns

[Cambridgecutie]

To be honest, I was sceptical. If JB was the perpetrator he would just have shot NB where he lay and I found his positioning weird, especially how his head ended up in the scuttle. Using a heated rifle and moving the body was wasting precious time if he was on a tight schedule as some claim.

I doubted a deranged SC would do this in a very close formation of marks.

Neither SC or JB could have moved NB on their own. Deliberate contamination of a crime scene is in itself a crime.

I considered other implements usually found with an Aga or in a kitchen. None fitted the bill. The  hot water drain tap was initially my preferred source. But suggested other parts of the Aga could be responsible.

My views are all available using the search function

Good reason for the mods to disable it 

[Jane]

We are not reviewing your Aga or your maintenance schedule. We are discussing the Bamber Aga. You need to accept that the Aga produced the burns. If they are burns as I believe, there is no other in depth, professional evidence which provides a reasoned argument that they were made by another means.

No! Actually, I don't NEED to accept anything claimed by rank amateurs. However, I'm fully aware that an up to speed Aga can cause horrendous burns if one doesn't take care. None of us can 'discuss' the Bamber Aga in depth. Indeed, the only Aga I can discuss is the one I use daily. Naturally you're perfectly free to believe what you like.

[Jane]

Unfortunately, the only people who could answer any of your questions about the Bambers Aga are the Eatons, Bubo!
Aint that the way, those who are determined to keep JB locked up are in charge of the crime scene, and I dont suppose they will answer any questions about any maintenaince to the Aga!

Frankly, why should they?

[snow66!]

Perhaps quality is better than quantity!  If you really feel the need to feed I would go for better quality food less often.  Otherwise I would look to plant things in the garden that provide natural food sources.

How do you know the 'plump pigeons' are not pigging out on your H.W. Nevill's bread?  Do you want to attract pigeons?  Most consider them a nuisance.

s, I will go for quality from now on, Cutie!
Dont think any of the birds get much of a chance to pig out, they all come down at the same time and mingle. There has only ever been four pigeons at most so they are no nuisance.

[Rob_]

Surely JB would want to keep all the victims together as much as possible if he was the killer, Steve?
Victims scattering all through the house would not be a good scenario for him. Gee whizz, he had enough on his plate trying to leave Sheila till last!
QC always said, if JB was the killer Nevill would never have made it to the kitchen!

If JB is the shooter Nevil is the first to be shot and does not make it out of bed, June would also have been screaming the house down as she made it out of bed round to Nevil's side of the bed and back to the door where she finally fell.

So much for Adam's silent massacre theory!   

[Rob_]

It's suspicious, to say the least.

You keep saying JB staged this that and everything else what was the purpose of leaving the phone hidden under the magazines?
 

[Cambridgecutie]

s, I will go for quality from now on, Cutie!
Dont think any of the birds get much of a chance to pig out, they all come down at the same time and mingle. There has only ever been four pigeons at most so they are no nuisance.

Or look to create natural food sources for the sort of birds your garden attracts or you want to attract going forward. 

[Cambridgecutie]

You keep saying JB staged this that and everything else what was the purpose of leaving the phone hidden under the magazines?
 

Did the prosecution allege such?

[Steve_uk]

You keep saying JB staged this that and everything else what was the purpose of leaving the phone hidden under the magazines?
 

What else could he do with it, had he moved the telephones in the first place?

[David1819]

Not sure if the colour of the three burns to Nevill's back has been discussed before or not?
Anyway, I asked Grok about burns with a heated object and while there is little difference how quickly they form on a living or dead body the colour of them might indicate when they happened!
According to Grok, burns that occurr after death appear drier, paler and yellowish in colour.
But as we can see, the burns to Nevill's back appear to be dark purple, almost black!
Thing is, at the time of the trial it was just assumed that the burns had occurred before death, either by prodding, torture, or whatever, so there would have been no need really to question 'when' they happened, would there? And the colour certainly indicates pre-mortem burns, well according to Grok anyway!
So!! This will be another question for Professor Peter Vanezis and others!
 In their professional opinions, judging by the colour of the three burns to Nevill's back, did they happen before or after death??

Did you upload the photos to grok also?

[snow66!]

Did you upload the photos to grok also?

Sorry Dave, I dont know how to do that, but its a good idea!

[ILB]

Why do they waste their time with these experiments?

None of this highlights Shelias involvement, or substantially weakens the case against Jeremy.

[Rob_]

What else could he do with it, had he moved the telephones in the first place?

Well why does he leave the phone in a place where you say it's suspicious ?

   

[Rob_]

Did the prosecution allege such?

Not to my knowledge Cc but every time a problem is found with the crime scene helping Bamber it's put down to staging.

For example to my eyes Sheila's bed was not slept in.   

[Adam]

You keep saying JB staged this that and everything else what was the purpose of leaving the phone hidden under the magazines?
 

So EP would not notice the one underneath the magazines & ask why there was two working phones in the kitchen and none in the main bedroom.