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[snow66!]

Well, for your theory to work, I guess they have to, don't they? But truly, I can honestly NOT think of a reason they would. WHY would they? They'd have an emersion, because those of us with Aga's do. They had alternative means of cooking. Had it been winter, it might have been a different story.

Well for my theory to work, I only need the Aga to remain at a constant heat until 3.00 in the morning, or small hours as it were, Jane!

[Jane]

Well for my theory to work, I only need the Aga to remain at a constant heat until 3.00 in the morning, or small hours as it were, Jane!

 It doesn't work like that if it's on a timer, or turned off during the summer months.

[snow66!]

 It doesn't work like that if it's on a timer, or turned off during the summer months.

OK, thanks anyway, Jane!

[Jonathan]

difficult to see how Nevill could have elevated himself in a horizontal position so the handle could remain in contact with that same spot for three hours

[snow66!]

difficult to see how Nevill could have elevated himself in a horizontal position so the handle could remain in contact with that same spot for three hours

Why do you keep saying Nevill needed to be elevated, Jonathan? What is the distance from the floor to the centre of the knob?

[Jane]

difficult to see how Nevill could have elevated himself in a horizontal position so the handle could remain in contact with that same spot for three hours

The head, being the heaviest part of the body, when the body is limp and unconscious, would pull it down and forward.

[Jonathan]

Why do you keep saying Nevill needed to be elevated, Jonathan? What is the distance from the floor to the centre of the knob?

Imagine lying on the floor in front of this aga. The handle touches the bottom of your neck so that's half way between the edge of one shoulder and the other. That would put your left shoulder level with near the top of the upper right hatch. I doubt there's ever been a human being that wide.

[snow66!]

Imagine lying on the floor in front of this aga. The handle touches the bottom of your neck so that's half way between the edge of one shoulder and the other. That would put your left shoulder level with near the top of the upper right hatch. I doubt there's ever been a human being that wide.

All we need is the measurement from the floor to the height of the Aga parts, Jonathan, the centre of the handle.
And dont go by that one in the photo, the Bambers one was not on a row of bricks!
My shoulders are roughly twenty inches wide, so the centre of my back is about ten inches, but I am only six feet tall as opposed to Nevill at six feet four. I think Rob and ILB are nearer to Nevills height!
Of course people are different builds no matter how tall they are.
Anyway, Jane has a similar model of Aga to the Bambers one, so ask her to measure the height of the handle, Jonathan!

[Jane]

All we need is the measurement from the floor to the height of the Aga parts, Jonathan, the centre of the handle.
And dont go by that one in the photo, the Bambers one was not on a row of bricks!
My shoulders are roughly twenty inches wide, so the centre of my back is about ten inches, but I am only six feet tall as opposed to Nevill at six feet four. I think Rob and ILB are nearer to Nevills height!
Of course people are different builds no matter how tall they are.
Anyway, Jane has a similar model of Aga to the Bambers one, so ask her to measure the height of the handle, Jonathan!

Having posted them numerous times, Snow, even though you appear to have dismissed them, I should think you're more than capable of directing Jonathan to the right place!

What you have thus far failed to accept is that Boyce's 'victim', because he was conscious, was having to prop himself up in order to have his shoulder maintain contact with the Aga. Nevill, because he would have been unconscious -IF he was there, of course- wouldn't have had that ability, ergo, the weight of his head would have pulled his body forward.

[Jonathan]

All we need is the measurement from the floor to the height of the Aga parts, Jonathan, the centre of the handle.
And dont go by that one in the photo, the Bambers one was not on a row of bricks!
My shoulders are roughly twenty inches wide, so the centre of my back is about ten inches, but I am only six feet tall as opposed to Nevill at six feet four. I think Rob and ILB are nearer to Nevills height!
Of course people are different builds no matter how tall they are.
Anyway, Jane has a similar model of Aga to the Bambers one, so ask her to measure the height of the handle, Jonathan!

Yeah it's a good point the Bamber's may have been flat to the floor whichskes a diffrence

[Jonathan]

I still think it's a stretch for anyone to lie in such a way it leaves those marks.

[snow66!]

Looking at the photos in the archive I would say that Nevill had relatively broad shoulders!
Funnily enough, in the last year or so I have taken to feeding the birds in the garden on a regular daily basis, you know how it is, once you feed them they always return and you dont want to disappoint them!
So, I buy about four loafs every time I visit the supermarket now!
BUT, I am always looking for the cheapest wholemeal bread I can find to keep the cost down, and low and behold I came across Tesco's budget brown bread which is called 'H.W. Nevill's', its only 55pence per loaf!
Is it available in your local Tesco too people??

[snow66!]

Yeah it's a good point the Bamber's may have been flat to the floor whichskes a diffrence

Of course the Bambers Aga was sitting directly on the floor! Look at the photos here in the archive, Jonathan!

[snow66!]

Having posted them numerous times, Snow, even though you appear to have dismissed them, I should think you're more than capable of directing Jonathan to the right place!

What you have thus far failed to accept is that Boyce's 'victim', because he was conscious, was having to prop himself up in order to have his shoulder maintain contact with the Aga. Nevill, because he would have been unconscious -IF he was there, of course- wouldn't have had that ability, ergo, the weight of his head would have pulled his body forward.

I never dismiss anything you say, Jane! I cant remember what height you gave from the floor to the handle? Can you please give it again?

[snow66!]

Do you think it was Jeremy's intention to kill his parents in the bedroom with no reload? Might Sheila have reacted differently had she seen the plight of her father?

Surely JB would want to keep all the victims together as much as possible if he was the killer, Steve?
Victims scattering all through the house would not be a good scenario for him. Gee whizz, he had enough on his plate trying to leave Sheila till last!
QC always said, if JB was the killer Nevill would never have made it to the kitchen!