What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?

[snow66!]

psychotic and suicidal Sheila took 3 hours over this?

Bible reading, praying? Preparing to meet her maker, who knows, Jonathan, who knows?

[Jonathan]

Bible reading, praying? Preparing to meet her maker, who knows, Jonathan, who knows?

doesn't make sense for anyone to have waited 3 hours

[snow66!]

doesn't make sense for anyone to have waited 3 hours

Yet if thats the time the burns  took to form, someone must have!
Of course Boyce is experimenting with dead pig skin, not a living human being, or recently deceased human being as the CT claim!
Also, if the burns happened earlier obviously the Aga would have been hotter at that time!

[Rob_]

Look at it this way, Jonathan, if the Aga burned Nevill and the police 'didn't' move Nevill after entry then this must be what happened if JB is guilty......
      JB enters WHF, Nevill hears him and goes to the kitchen where he is knocked out and falls against the Aga, JB kills everyone else and then sits and waits for an hour or two for Nevill to come round, then he allows Nevill to get up before struggling with him until he ends up on the chair/scuttle before shooting him in the head, then JB heads for home.
Alternatively....
    JB enters, shoots Nevill and June in the bedroom, chases behind Nevill as he goes to the kitchen shooting him in the arm and shoulder, JB then bashes Nevill and he falls against the Aga, JB shoots everyone else and then sits and waits for Nevill to regain consciousness only to bash him again until he ends up on the chair/scuttle, JB shoots him in the head then leaves!

You see the problem, Jonathan? Why didn't JB just shoot Nevill to death while he was lying against the Aga and get to hell out of there?  Doesn't make sense to wait for Nevill to come round does it? Gee whizz, how did JB know that Nevill would regain conscience 'at all' that night?
Its just implausable nonsense! JB would have shot Nevill to death as soon as he fell against the Aga!
No jury on earth would convict JB on such a scenario, cant you see that, Jonathan?
Besides, the evidence suggests that Nevill hadn't been shot at all while lying against the Aga, there is no blood spatter around that area or on the Aga.

I agree, Bamber would not mess around burning Nevil, he would just shoot him to death where ever he happened to be and get the hell out of there.

Any chance of some of those close up pictures of the Aga handle that is a possible explanation for the marks to Nevil?

[Jonathan]

skin burning would have been painful - amazing it took 3 hours to rouse him from the severe beating Sheila gave him

[Rob_]

skin burning would have been painful - amazing it took 3 hours to rouse him from the severe beating Sheila gave him

If they are burns the temperature of the implement that burned Nevil is critical to how long it takes. For example going from 45 to 47 degrees can make the difference between 20 minutes or several hours.

60 degrees would be a few seconds.

[Adam]

Bible reading, praying? Preparing to meet her maker, who knows, Jonathan, who knows?

Reading June's bible.

[Cambridgecutie]

Never ending rain up here CC. Had two weeks in Australia in November. Since return it has been miserable but not too cold yet. On beer looking forward to healthy living in Jan / Feb etc.

Yes better climes down South.  2 weeks in Oz, lovely.  Which part(s)?  Always loved Oz since Skippy 

Necked a Hobgoblin Gold pre-dinner.  Quite a nice session beer.  Will make the most of the boozy festivities and then onto a dry Jan and Feb.  I wonder how JB might cope with booze or perhaps he has hooch inside?!

[snow66!]

I agree, Bamber would not mess around burning Nevil, he would just shoot him to death where ever he happened to be and get the hell out of there.

Any chance of some of those close up pictures of the Aga handle that is a possible explanation for the marks to Nevil?

I just dont think a plausible JB guilt scenario can be fitted around the Aga evidence at all, Rob!
Well not without the police moving Nevill anyway!
The likes of Cutie says that until the likes of the silencer evidence is demolished we are wasting our time, but the thing is Cutie thinks the silencer evidence was fabricated anyway! and it probably was, even the documentaries suggest that JB was stitched up in order to gain a conviction!
In my opinion it is something like the Aga burns or the Milbank phone call that are needed in order to free JB, some sort of proof that sweeps the likes of the blood in the silencer evidence away, Rob!

[snow66!]

Reading June's bible.

Well, June certainly wouldn't have needed it any longer, Adam!

[Jonathan]

I just dont think a plausible JB guilt scenario can be fitted around the Aga evidence at all, Rob!
Well not without the police moving Nevill anyway!
The likes of Cutie says that until the likes of the silencer evidence is demolished we are wasting our time, but the thing is Cutie thinks the silencer evidence was fabricated anyway! and it probably was, even the documentaries suggest that JB was stitched up in order to gain a conviction!
In my opinion it is something like the Aga burns or the Milbank phone call that are needed in order to free JB, some sort of proof that sweeps the likes of the blood in the silencer evidence away, Rob!

When you say Aga burns do you mean the way they show that police must have moved Nevill or that it shows that Sheila waited 3 hours for Nevill to wake up so she could shoot him again, something that Jeremy was unlikely to have done?

[Hardy Boy]

When you say Aga burns do you mean they show police moved Neville or that it shows that Sheila waited 3 hours for Neville to wake up so she could shoot him again?

In Snows world, Sheila knocked Neville unconscious for three hours by the Aga, he woke up, rang Jeremy for help,  he then dashed upstairs confronted Sheila and she shot him, he ran downstairs and she followed him and battered him again and shot him.

[Jonathan]

In Snows world, Sheila knocked Neville unconscious for three hours by the Aga, he woke up, rang Jeremy for help,  he then dashed upstairs confronted Sheila and she shot him, he ran downstairs and she followed him and battered him again and shot him.

Maybe the 3 hours gave his bullet wounds to mouth sufficient time to heal so he could speak to Jeremy in the phone without any noticeable speech impairment

How does Snow explain the phone call being cut off in mid flow if  Sheila was upstairs. Seems a real weakness in his theory

[Hardy Boy]

Maybe the 3 hours gave his bullet wounds to mouth sufficient time to heal so he could speak to Jeremy in the phone without any noticeable speech impairment

How does Snow explain the phone call being cut off in mid flow if  Sheila was upstairs. Seems a real weakness in his theory

Don't worry he will think of something.

[snow66!]

When you say Aga burns do you mean the way they show that police must have moved Nevill or that it shows that Sheila waited 3 hours for Nevill to wake up so she could shoot him again, something that Jeremy was unlikely to have done?

Yes, the latter, Jonathan, I dont think the police moved Nevill!