What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?

[snow66!]

But the gunshot wounds NB sustained to his head are consistent with the position in which he was found ie the trajectories, casings and livor mortis.  So if he didn't stumble into the found position under his own steam who are you suggesting moved him and shot him and approximately where do these events fit on the timeline?

I find a lot of theories are so convoluted and so at odds with known and immovable facts they are difficult to follow!

Gee whizz Cutie, it is obvious you have never read any of my Aga burn scenarios!
I have never said the police moved Nevill, quite the opposite, and that is why the Aga must have burned Nevill earlier on when he was still alive!
Again, Yvonne claims that Nevill must have been dead at the time else his reflexes would have caused him to pull away from the heat, but not if he had a fractured skull surely? And the heat wasn't scorching, just moderate heat!

[Hardy Boy]

ngb seems to have cautiously moved towards the campaign on this. It would be interesting to find out what has caused that. Although I think he did express that there are more important issues than these.

This is what NGB said…..As far as the burns are concerned I have obviously seen the arguments put forward and the Aga handle is one plausible suggestion, but I think there is an alternative explanation, as put forward in the 2012 submissions.


I agree With NGB, simple and within the evidence!

[snow66!]

the Court of Appeal has discretion to admit any evidence "in the interests of justice". But from what we know about the "Aga burns" grounds it's difficult to see what coherent argument there is to say this shows the conviction is unsafe

Look at it this way, Jonathan, if the Aga burned Nevill and the police 'didn't' move Nevill after entry then this must be what happened if JB is guilty......
      JB enters WHF, Nevill hears him and goes to the kitchen where he is knocked out and falls against the Aga, JB kills everyone else and then sits and waits for an hour or two for Nevill to come round, then he allows Nevill to get up before struggling with him until he ends up on the chair/scuttle before shooting him in the head, then JB heads for home.
Alternatively....
    JB enters, shoots Nevill and June in the bedroom, chases behind Nevill as he goes to the kitchen shooting him in the arm and shoulder, JB then bashes Nevill and he falls against the Aga, JB shoots everyone else and then sits and waits for Nevill to regain consciousness only to bash him again until he ends up on the chair/scuttle, JB shoots him in the head then leaves!

You see the problem, Jonathan? Why didn't JB just shoot Nevill to death while he was lying against the Aga and get to hell out of there?  Doesn't make sense to wait for Nevill to come round does it? Gee whizz, how did JB know that Nevill would regain conscience 'at all' that night?
Its just implausable nonsense! JB would have shot Nevill to death as soon as he fell against the Aga!
No jury on earth would convict JB on such a scenario, cant you see that, Jonathan?
Besides, the evidence suggests that Nevill hadn't been shot at all while lying against the Aga, there is no blood spatter around that area or on the Aga.

[Adam]

You can't burn your back on a cold door.

[Jonathan]

Look at it this way, Jonathan, if the Aga burned Nevill and the police 'didn't' move Nevill after entry then this must be what happened if JB is guilty......
      JB enters WHF, Nevill hears him and goes to the kitchen where he is knocked out and falls against the Aga, JB kills everyone else and then sits and waits for an hour or two for Nevill to come round, then he allows Nevill to get up before struggling with him until he ends up on the chair/scuttle before shooting him in the head, then JB heads for home.
Alternatively....
    JB enters, shoots Nevill and June in the bedroom, chases behind Nevill as he goes to the kitchen shooting him in the arm and shoulder, JB then bashes Nevill and he falls against the Aga, JB shoots everyone else and then sits and waits for Nevill to regain consciousness only to bash him again until he ends up on the chair/scuttle, JB shoots him in the head then leaves!

You see the problem, Jonathan? Why didn't JB just shoot Nevill to death while he was lying against the Aga and get to hell out of there?  Doesn't make sense to wait for Nevill to come round does it? Gee whizz, how did JB know that Nevill would regain conscience 'at all' that night?
Its just implausable nonsense! JB would have shot Nevill to death as soon as he fell against the Aga!
No jury on earth would convict JB on such a scenario, cant you see that, Jonathan?
Besides, the evidence suggests that Nevill hadn't been shot at all while lying against the Aga, there is no blood spatter around that area or on the Aga.

what's the scenario that explains the Aga burns with Sheila as the assailant?

[snow66!]

And as for this dragging Nevill onto an upturned chair to check for signs of life rubbish, if Nevill was lying against the Aga the killer would just push him over onto his face to get access to his back, NOT struggle to balance him on an upturned chair! What nonsense!

[Jane]

Look at it this way, Jonathan, if the Aga burned Nevill and the police 'didn't' move Nevill after entry then this must be what happened if JB is guilty......
      JB enters WHF, Nevill hears him and goes to the kitchen where he is knocked out and falls against the Aga, JB kills everyone else and then sits and waits for an hour or two for Nevill to come round, then he allows Nevill to get up before struggling with him until he ends up on the chair/scuttle before shooting him in the head, then JB heads for home.
Alternatively....

You can't burn your back on a cold door.

    JB enters, shoots Nevill and June in the bedroom, chases behind Nevill as he goes to the kitchen shooting him in the arm and shoulder, JB then bashes Nevill and he falls against the Aga, JB shoots everyone else and then sits and waits for Nevill to regain consciousness only to bash him again until he ends up on the chair/scuttle, JB shoots him in the head then leaves!

You see the problem, Jonathan? Why didn't JB just shoot Nevill to death while he was lying against the Aga and get to hell out of there?  Doesn't make sense to wait for Nevill to come round does it? Gee whizz, how did JB know that Nevill would regain conscience 'at all' that night?
Its just implausable nonsense! JB would have shot Nevill to death as soon as he fell against the Aga!
No jury on earth would convict JB on such a scenario, cant you see that, Jonathan?
Besides, the evidence suggests that Nevill hadn't been shot at all while lying against the Aga, there is no blood spatter around that area or on the Aga.

Freezer burns?

[Jane]

And as for this dragging Nevill onto an upturned chair to check for signs of life rubbish, if Nevill was lying against the Aga the killer would just push him over onto his face to get access to his back, NOT struggle to balance him on an upturned chair! What nonsense!

So who picked him up and placed him in the chair with his head in the coal skuttle, or removed him from the chair to place him next to the cold Aga?

[Adam]

what's the scenario that explains the Aga burns with Sheila as the assailant?

The 2012 CCRC suggests she burnt Nevill's back with rifle minus silencer. He has never said why.

Currently he is saying Nevill was laying alongside the aga door. Then the police moved him.

[Jonathan]

what's the scenario that explains the Aga burns with Sheila as the assailant?

hang on I'll have a go myself

psychotic and suicidal Sheila having put 3 shots into Nevill batters him so he falls against the Aga. She goes upstairs finishes off her mother and children - comes back down to the kitchen then sits and watches Nevill for 3 hours in case he gets up. Lo and behold Nevill rises, but Sheila having waited 3 hours is too quick and pumps 4 shots into his head - Nevill  ends up as he his found. Her 3 hour  "is Nevill actually dead?" vigil complete she goes upstairs and shoots herself.

[snow66!]

what's the scenario that explains the Aga burns with Sheila as the assailant?

Nevill finds Sheila in the kitchen with the rifle, Sheila bashes him on the forehead and he falls against the Aga around midnight, Sheila kills June and then the boys, cleans up, writes farewell letters to her birth mother etc, Nevill regains consciousness around 3.00 and drags himself onto a chair to phone JB, he then staggers upstairs still half concussed shouting out to June, Sheila is alerted ahd meets him at the top of the stairs, Nevill is shot in the face and then in the arm and shoulder as he retreats back to the kitchen, Sheila pokes and whacks at Nevill until he stumbles onto the upturned chair and scuttle, now motionless Nevill is shot four times in the head!

[snow66!]

    JB enters, shoots Nevill and June in the bedroom, chases behind Nevill as he goes to the kitchen shooting him in the arm and shoulder, JB then bashes Nevill and he falls against the Aga, JB shoots everyone else and then sits and waits for Nevill to regain consciousness only to bash him again until he ends up on the chair/scuttle, JB shoots him in the head then leaves!

You see the problem, Jonathan? Why didn't JB just shoot Nevill to death while he was lying against the Aga and get to hell out of there?  Doesn't make sense to wait for Nevill to come round does it? Gee whizz, how did JB know that Nevill would regain conscience 'at all' that night?
Its just implausable nonsense! JB would have shot Nevill to death as soon as he fell against the Aga!
No jury on earth would convict JB on such a scenario, cant you see that, Jonathan?
Besides, the evidence suggests that Nevill hadn't been shot at all while lying against the Aga, there is no blood spatter around that area or on the Aga.





Freezer burns?

Not according to Philip Boyce's experimentation, Jane!

[Jonathan]

Nevill finds Sheila in the kitchen with the rifle, Sheila bashes him on the forehead and he falls against the Aga around midnight, Sheila kills June and then the boys, cleans up, writes farewell letters to her birth mother etc, Nevill regains consciousness around 3.00 and drags himself onto a chair to phone JB, he then staggers upstairs still half concussed shouting out to June, Sheila is alerted ahd meets him at the top of the stairs, Nevill is shot in the face and then in the arm and shoulder as he retreats back to the kitchen, Sheila pokes and whacks at Nevill until he stumbles onto the upturned chair and scuttle, now motionless Nevill is shot four times in the head!

psychotic and suicidal Sheila took 3 hours over this?

[Jane]

Not according to Philip Boyce's experimentation, Jane!

But he isn't a burns expert, is he?

[snow66!]

So who picked him up and placed him in the chair with his head in the coal skuttle, or removed him from the chair to place him next to the cold Aga?

No one moved Nevill at all, Jane!