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« Reply #255 on: December 29, 2025, 07:32:PM »
But what powers/heats the Aga plates, Adam?


Whatever heat source is used to heat the Aga! The hotplates aren't heated separately. The one closest to the heat source is used for frying/searing, and anything requiring fast cooking. The other hotplate is called the simmering plate which is self explanatory.

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« Reply #256 on: December 29, 2025, 07:35:PM »

Whatever heat source is used to heat the Aga! The hotplates aren't heated separately. The one closest to the heat source is used for frying/searing, and anything requiring fast cooking. The other hotplate is called the simmering plate which is self explanatory.

Fast cooking. And fast heating of metal.
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« Reply #257 on: December 29, 2025, 07:37:PM »
My oven plates are powered by electricity. They get hot quick as my tomato soup only takes 5 mins.
But the Bamber Aga must have been solid fuel, Adam, after reading a bit, I think the plates would be heated from within without electricity, but! I am no Aga expert!
I will ask Jane what type of Aga she has and how the plates are heated up!

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« Reply #258 on: December 29, 2025, 07:39:PM »
How does Neville manage to lie against the handle only for 3 hours - without touching any other part of the Aga which would have been hotter than the handle? If the Aga was even on.


The handle of the slow -bottom- oven can be easily handled without gloves, as can whatever is cooking in it. The roasting oven is a different proposition! Well, it would be! It roasts! But Nevill wasn't claimed to be anywhere near the roasting oven.

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« Reply #259 on: December 29, 2025, 07:43:PM »

Whatever heat source is used to heat the Aga! The hotplates aren't heated separately. The one closest to the heat source is used for frying/searing, and anything requiring fast cooking. The other hotplate is called the simmering plate which is self explanatory.
So, what would heat the Bambers hot plates then, Jane? Internally from the coal? Or from a mains power source?
What type have you got, and how dows it work? Is it plugged into the mains at all?

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« Reply #260 on: December 29, 2025, 07:44:PM »
But the Bamber Aga must have been solid fuel, Adam, after reading a bit, I think the plates would be heated from within without electricity, but! I am no Aga expert!
I will ask Jane what type of Aga she has and how the plates are heated up!


Ours was converted from solid fuel to oil. No part of it requires separate heat sources. Once the Aga is on, every part of it is heated by the same heat source. Giant lids, which are unbelievably heavy, can be drawn down over the hot plates to stop heat wastage.

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« Reply #261 on: December 29, 2025, 07:45:PM »

The handle of the slow -bottom- oven can be easily handled without gloves, as can whatever is cooking in it. The roasting oven is a different proposition! Well, it would be! It roasts! But Nevill wasn't claimed to be anywhere near the roasting oven.
Is the handle and two other points shown by Boyce connected to the roasting oven ,Jane?

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« Reply #262 on: December 29, 2025, 07:51:PM »
So, what would heat the Bambers hot plates then, Jane? Internally from the coal? Or from a mains power source?
What type have you got, and how dows it work? Is it plugged into the mains at all?


Given that most rural dwellers don't have the luxury of gas, other than a few having Calor, if the Bambers' wasn't solid fuel, I suspect it would have been oil. Solid fuel/wood has to be chopped, and fetched and carried, which is time consuming and hard work. ALL new Agas are electric, but I don't think such was the case when the Bamber model, the same as ours, was built.

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« Reply #263 on: December 29, 2025, 07:56:PM »

Ours was converted from solid fuel to oil. No part of it requires separate heat sources. Once the Aga is on, every part of it is heated by the same heat source. Giant lids, which are unbelievably heavy, can be drawn down over the hot plates to stop heat wastage.
Right, so now were getting somewhere, Jane!
You're saying if the Aga wasn't on that night then the rifle barrel could not have been heated up on the top plates, right??
Yet the rifle was not hot enough to inflict the burns without being heated up for five minutes on the plate in the Boyce experiments, and there was no other heat source in the house.
Hence the Aga must have been on if the rifle burned Nevills back,

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« Reply #264 on: December 29, 2025, 07:58:PM »
Is the handle and two other points shown by Boyce connected to the roasting oven ,Jane?


ALL points, shown by Boyce to inflict wounds, are at the lower level, ie, the same level as the slow oven. I have previously said I can open the slow oven and take out the contents without protection, and remember, the rest of the Aga, at this time, will be on full power.

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« Reply #265 on: December 29, 2025, 08:05:PM »
Right, so now were getting somewhere, Jane!
You're saying if the Aga wasn't on that night then the rifle barrel could not have been heated up on the top plates, right??
Yet the rifle was not hot enough to inflict the burns without being heated up for five minutes on the plate in the Boyce experiments, and there was no other heat source in the house.
Hence the Aga must have been on if the rifle burned Nevills back,


I've never been entirely convinced that the rifle caused Nevill's wounds. The best I could come up with was placing the barrel into boiling water. An emersion heater can heat water to almost boiling.

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« Reply #266 on: December 29, 2025, 08:11:PM »

I've never been entirely convinced that the rifle caused Nevill's wounds. The best I could come up with was placing the barrel into boiling water. An emersion heater can heat water to almost boiling.

To my eyes the three marks on Nevil have not been caused by the same implement?

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« Reply #267 on: December 29, 2025, 08:13:PM »

I've never been entirely convinced that the rifle caused Nevill's wounds. The best I could come up with was placing the barrel into boiling water. An emersion heater can heat water to almost boiling.

I don't think boiling water would heat metal suffiently.

I put a metal knife on one of my plates. It heated the bottom of it within 5 minutes.
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« Reply #268 on: December 29, 2025, 08:15:PM »
To my eyes the three marks on Nevil have not been caused by the same implement?


Ooh! A new idea thrown into the mix! Can you expand on that?

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« Reply #269 on: December 29, 2025, 08:16:PM »
Is the inside of the aga actual fire?

In Raiders of the Lost Arc an instrument in a log fire went from brown to red in seconds. The woman was going to be burned with it until Indy stepped in.
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