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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #225 on: December 29, 2025, 12:28:AM »
No, we don't know that.
Well, maybe not entirely, Dave! Boyce's video is slightly vague about the top mark.
But I think he/they have got it right, dont you?

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« Reply #226 on: December 29, 2025, 12:34:AM »
The video with Boyce was suggesting it could be the aga.

So we don't know 1 & 2.
Well we dont know much of anything at the moment about the CCRC's decision regarding the Aga evidence nor the police moving Nevill, Adam!

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« Reply #227 on: December 29, 2025, 08:23:AM »
Not quite sure what you mean there, Adam? I think the Aga evidence was simply rejected along with moving Nevills body! Nevertheless, I think the Aga is the shoe that fits the burns to Nevills back!
Talking of the police moving Nevill, it would be very interesting what the PSOR says about that???, then we can really go to town on the Aga evidence as a point on its own, as it were!
So hopefully the CCRC have given 'PROOF' one way or another regarding the police moving Nevill!!
I mean, as far as we know, one of the issues that the CT sent to the CCRC included the moving of Nevills body from the Aga to the chair/scuttle, right? so this means the CCRC will have to make a decision about that claim, doesn't it??

As a potential ground of appeal the police moving Nevill is a non-starter. It involves a number of people lying. Why would they lie and why would they want to move him anyway? And f they did move him how does that undermine the prosecution case heard at trial?

Plus it seems to rely on Boyce's theories about the marks on Nevill's back - which is outside his expertise.

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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #228 on: December 29, 2025, 08:26:AM »
But we know -
         The burn marks 'do' match the Aga knobs
         The Aga knobs 'were hot' , Boyce's experiment proved this!
         That leaves 3, Adam!
         OR !! of course,  the burns occurred earlier before Nevill was killed!!

How could Boyce's experiment 'prove' the Aga was hot when it's not even certain the Aga was on?
« Last Edit: December 29, 2025, 08:27:AM by Jane »

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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #229 on: December 29, 2025, 11:34:AM »
Well, maybe not entirely, Dave! Boyce's video is slightly vague about the top mark.
But I think he/they have got it right, dont you?

I am open minded Snow but I do think the Aga is the most likely cause of the marks to Nevil, also the bloodstained cushion beside the Aga is interesting?

Bubo has posted about this, I am sure if JB is the shooter he did not put it their for Nevil's benefit?

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« Reply #230 on: December 29, 2025, 12:22:PM »
Well we dont know much of anything at the moment about the CCRC's decision regarding the Aga evidence nor the police moving Nevill, Adam!

The PSOR has been released. But only to a few supporters.

If it said the aga caused the burns, Nevill was moved pre photos & people lied, it would be over social media now.
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« Reply #231 on: December 29, 2025, 01:33:PM »
As a potential ground of appeal the police moving Nevill is a non-starter. It involves a number of people lying. Why would they lie and why would they want to move him anyway? And f they did move him how does that undermine the prosecution case heard at trial?

Plus it seems to rely on Boyce's theories about the marks on Nevill's back - which is outside his expertise.
Basically, Jonathan, what I would like to see is the Aga evidence and moving Nevill dealt with individually. ie, did the police move Nevill after entry, and what does this prove?
      And- did the Aga burn Nevills back, and what does this prove?
But of course, having said that, the police moving Nevill does change the Aga burn scenario, eg, it means JB could have killed Nevill and left him lying against the Aga when he exited the house around 2.30, so as you say, just how does the police moving Nevill clear JB?
On the other hand if the police did not move Nevill and the Aga evidence is accepted then it surely follows that Nevill burned his back much earlier before ending up on the chair/scuttle.
Its all pretty basic really, isn't it?
Two simple questions, did the police move Nevill and did the Aga burn Nevills back???
YET!!!! as yet we have no answers! Of course we are told the CT cant tell us much until the CCRC decision is challenged!


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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #232 on: December 29, 2025, 01:35:PM »
How could Boyce's experiment 'prove' the Aga was hot when it's not even certain the Aga was on?
I was referring to the Aga he was using in his experiments, Jane! the Aga parts obviously got hot enough to burn the pig skin.

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« Reply #233 on: December 29, 2025, 01:39:PM »
I am open minded Snow but I do think the Aga is the most likely cause of the marks to Nevil, also the bloodstained cushion beside the Aga is interesting?

Bubo has posted about this, I am sure if JB is the shooter he did not put it their for Nevil's benefit?
Yes, cushions lying by the Aga doesn't really fit into a JB scenario Rob.

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« Reply #234 on: December 29, 2025, 01:48:PM »
The PSOR has been released. But only to a few supporters.

If it said the aga caused the burns, Nevill was moved pre photos & people lied, it would be over social media now.
Well obviously the CCRC decision didn't please the CT/JB, else they wouldn't be challenging it, Adam!

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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #235 on: December 29, 2025, 03:18:PM »
No, we don't know that.
I think Yvonne Hartley claimed they did, so it must be true..

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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #236 on: December 29, 2025, 03:48:PM »
I was referring to the Aga he was using in his experiments, Jane! the Aga parts obviously got hot enough to burn the pig skin.


Snow, it's perfectly obvious that, if the Aga, used by Boyce, scorched pig skin, it was either on, or had been on. it isn't certain that the Bambers' Aga was, or had been.

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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #237 on: December 29, 2025, 04:30:PM »
Well obviously the CCRC decision didn't please the CT/JB, else they wouldn't be challenging it, Adam!

I know they didn't like. But it would be all over social media if the CCRC agreed Nevill was moved, EP lied about it & they are not referring.

Everyone has to go by the photos, raid team WS's & the available aga plate next to Nevill.
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #238 on: December 29, 2025, 04:46:PM »

Snow, it's perfectly obvious that, if the Aga, used by Boyce, scorched pig skin, it was either on, or had been on. it isn't certain that the Bambers' Aga was, or had been.
Ah, I see Jane, I dont know whatwas said about the Bambers one!
What about the top plates? could they have heated the rifle if the oven wasn't on?

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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #239 on: December 29, 2025, 04:48:PM »
Ah, I see Jane, I dont know whatwas said about the Bambers one!
What about the top plates? could they have heated the rifle if the oven wasn't on?

It would take 5 minutes for an aga plate to heat a metal instrument sufficiently.
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