Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.

[Cambridgecutie]

You could be right I would have just expected JB to have knowledge about this. It was his dad.

Well he might have had knowledge his dad had back surgery.  Afterall I know from books etc so why wouldn't he?  Often back surgery involves orthapedic hardware but the point is it would not have been visible pre death.  If I am right the marks came about post death because of NB's found position and the fact the heart stopped pumping blood around his body thus causing a sort of internal friction mark.  If you consider how taut the skin was in that area from NB slumped forward and blood pooling away to the lowest points. 

[Adam]

Have to go by Vanezis - they are burns.

He was a pathologist who saw the bodies.

He should know what a burn on human flesh looks like. If not sure, he can ask someone. He will certainly know if they were internal metal screws!

[Cambridgecutie]

Have to go by Vanezis - they are burns.

He was a pathologist who saw the bodies.

He should know what a burn on human flesh looks like. If not sure, he can ask someone. He will certainly know if they were internal metal screws!

At trial Dr Vanezis concluded he was unsure about the origins.  He was working under pressure carrying out 5 pm's and concerned with identifying cause of death.  The marks were unimportant in terms of cause of death.  The bodies were cremated before a proper investigation into the marks was undertaken.

Prof Knight gave a detailed account of why he didn't think the marks were burns.  He concluded they came about through prodding with some implement which I agree with.  Prodding from orthapedic hardware from inside out. 

[Adam]

The crime scene also supports burns. On the night.

Nevill lifted onto a coal scuttle/chair. Next to an aga plate.

[Cambridgecutie]

The crime scene also supports burns. On the night.

Nevill lifted onto a coal scuttle/chair. Next to an aga plate.

There's no expert evidence for your assertions.

[Adam]

Bamber would have had time to heat a metal instrument suffiently. It said it will take 5 minutes on the aga plate.

[Cambridgecutie]

Bamber would have had time to heat a metal instrument suffiently. It said it will take 5 minutes on the aga plate.

Where in the trial testimony was such an assertion made?

[Jonathan]

Bamber would have had time to heat a metal instrument suffiently. It said it will take 5 minutes on the aga plate.

What do you think would be the purpose of Bamber heating a metal instrument?

[Adam]

What do you think would be the purpose of Bamber heating a metal instrument?

Most people think it would be to check for signs of life. A pulse check can be unreliable.

[Jonathan]

Most people think it would be to check for signs of life. A pulse check can be unreliable.

Why would that be necessary? Just put another couple of bullets into his head to be sure

[Cambridgecutie]

Most people think it would be to check for signs of life. A pulse check can be unreliable.

Like who? 

Makes no sense.  Why single out NB?  Why not June too?

[Adam]

Like who? 

Makes no sense.  Why single out NB?  Why not June too?

Steve
Hardyboy
Jane
NGB
Me
Scipio

[Adam]

Why would that be necessary? Just put another couple of bullets into his head to be sure

He did shoot him 4 times upstairs. Was still breathing.

[Cambridgecutie]

Steve
Hardyboy
Jane
NGB
Me
Scipio

But afaik none of the people you have quoted are experts and none appeared at trial.

[Adam]

Why would that be necessary? Just put another couple of bullets into his head to be sure

Do you think Nevill would call Jeremy after receiving his his 4 upstairs shots?

This was Bamber's & his defence teams narrative at trial.