Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.

[Hardy Boy]

It may well sound like something out of a cheap whodunnit, HB, but I honestly cant think of another Aga burn scenario!

I think you admitting it sounds like a cheap whodunit, you’ve saved me the trouble Snow, sounding like a whodunnit means you’ve solved the problem and it isn’t real. 

[Jonathan]

Aga running at the beginning of August the kitchen must have been like an oven

[Adam]

Aga running at the beginning of August the kitchen must have been like an oven

There is no reason why it should be on to heat WHF. Espescially at night when everyone is sleeping under bed clothes.

If it was on, the door is so thick, it will cold from the outside.

[ILB]

Butler spoke to man for several minutes beforehand. Telling him what he was going to do to him.

That would be part of a torture routine. Playing mind games & installing extreme fear to the fully focused victim beforehand.

I can't believe your comparing Hollywood and real life in all honesty.

[Adam]

I can't believe your comparing Hollywood and real life in all honesty.

I can't believe people consider 3 burn marks on a knocked out/dead man is torture.

[ILB]

I can't believe people consider 3 burn marks on a knocked out/dead man is torture.

I can't believe people consider burning a man who has been shot 8 times and brutally beaten with a " Sign of life test "

[Adam]

I can't believe people consider burning a man who has been shot 8 times and brutally beaten with a " Sign of life test "

Most people believe this.

Your latest theory that he did it to degrade Nevill doesn't work. Nevill was already found dead, shot, brutally beaten, his head in a coal scuttle with his pyjama trousers down.

You can't get any more degrading than that.

[lookout]

I can't believe people consider burning a man who has been shot 8 times and brutally beaten with a " Sign of life test "

A competent shooter knows exactly where to hit for maximum effect without checking afterwards !

[Hardy Boy]

A competent shooter knows exactly where to hit for maximum effect without checking afterwards !

Any competent shooter using a low powered rifle made for shooting Vermin and  with a .22 round not much bigger than a .22 pellet wouldn't be confident that he had killed any human being, when you actually see the size of the lead it’s understandable, it’s definitely not an instant kill of human beings, best to be safe and check and that’s what Bamber did, the last thing he wanted was to leave any witness.

[Hardy Boy]

Any competent shooter using a low powered rifle made for shooting Vermin and  with a .22 round not much bigger than a .22 pellet wouldn't be confident that he had killed any human being, when you actually see the size of the lead it’s understandable, it’s definitely not an instant kill of human beings, best to be safe and check and that’s what Bamber did, the last thing he wanted was to leave any witness.

To me I think he purposely did over kill, If the .22 was left out with bullets for Sheila, it’s strange that when the bodies were found, the rifle was empty and every shot had been used/fired,  That seems strange and it seems to me someone purposely used it to make sure all the bullets were used?   Would a live bullet left in the magazine carry more forensics than a fired Bullet shell, maybe that’s why it was staged this way?

[lookout]

Any competent shooter using a low powered rifle made for shooting Vermin and  with a .22 round not much bigger than a .22 pellet wouldn't be confident that he had killed any human being, when you actually see the size of the lead it’s understandable, it’s definitely not an instant kill of human beings, best to be safe and check and that’s what Bamber did, the last thing he wanted was to leave any witness.

The knowledge of a competent shooter be it with a low or high-powered rifle would know exactly where on the body would obtain the highest fatal result.

[Cambridgecutie]

In fairness as I have previously said if the burns had occured pre massacre I would have expected Jeremy Bamber to be able to be able to clarify their origin as no doubt he would have seen them at some point in his lifetime and Nevill would have told him about them.

But if my theory is correct the marks would not have been visible pre murders.  Until I see some expert evidence to the contrary I will continue to believe the marks were connected to NB's back surgery ie orthapedic hardware which caused friction marks from within based on NB's found position ie head hanging forward, spine curved and blood pooling away from the hardware which effectively was at the heighest part of his body.

[Jonathan]

Aga questions

Has it been shown that it was in use at the time? Even at the warmest time of the year in the UK.

Was it a coal Aga or another fuel?

[Rob_]

Any competent shooter using a low powered rifle made for shooting Vermin and  with a .22 round not much bigger than a .22 pellet wouldn't be confident that he had killed any human being, when you actually see the size of the lead it’s understandable, it’s definitely not an instant kill of human beings, best to be safe and check and that’s what Bamber did, the last thing he wanted was to leave any witness.

From point blank very close range a .22 rifle is lethal, there would be no need to check if someone was dead if you pumped four shots into their head from a few feet away.

[ILB]

But if my theory is correct the marks would not have been visible pre murders.  Until I see some expert evidence to the contrary I will continue to believe the marks were connected to NB's back surgery ie orthapedic hardware which caused friction marks from within based on NB's found position ie head hanging forward, spine curved and blood pooling away from the hardware which effectively was at the heighest part of his body.

You could be right I would have just expected JB to have knowledge about this. It was his dad.