Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.

[ILB]

Would have been a fruitless excersise burning a man who had been shot 8 times and beaten brutally for a reaction.

A visual of his condition would have been suffice. If you believe he killed Shelia last you believe he was confident enough to go upstairs and leave Nevill down stairs in the condition he left him in.

[Adam]

As said all open ended and nothing conclusive.

It's conclusive that a heated instrument would not stay hot for long enough to go upstairs. He had to be quick with Nevill & he was next to the aga.

For me I agree with Bamber that the burns arose on the massacre night.

I also agree with the majority who say it was to check for signs of life. Either alongside or without a pulse check. The burn marks do not qualify as torture.

[Adam]

Would have been a fruitless excersise burning a man who had been shot 8 times and beaten brutally for a reaction.

A visual of his condition would have been suffice. If you believe he killed Shelia last you believe he was confident enough to go upstairs and leave Nevill down stairs in the condition he left him in.

Fruitless or not. The evidence is he inflicted 3 burn marks on Nevill.

Everything Bamber did that night was to reach his goal. He had no time to get side tracked on torture revenge. Burning a knocked out/dead man was for a reason.

[Adam]

Torture was a word I used. Possibly spite and to degrade are better words.

There is not one piece of singular evidence on its own to show Jeremy Bamber burnt Nevill Bamber.

The origins of the burns were never conclusivley established for certain. The prosecution put across a hypothesis at trial. ( which in fairness was accepted by the jury) the Pathologist couldn't be conclusively drawn to their origin.

Do you not agree with Bamber that the burn marks were inflicted on the massacre night?

Do you not think shooting, brutally beating & inheriting Nevill's estate was spiteful & degrading Nevill enough? Not sure how 3 burn marks suddenly satisfies Bamber.

[Jane]

Would have been a fruitless excersise burning a man who had been shot 8 times and beaten brutally for a reaction.

A visual of his condition would have been suffice. If you believe he killed Shelia last you believe he was confident enough to go upstairs and leave Nevill down stairs in the condition he left him in.

Indeed it would. But supposing they were done, one at a time, when he was possibly semi conscious and slumped in the chair, as a taunt/to make a point, over a period of time? prior to being finally tipped forward into the coal skuttle. Naturally, it requires some sort of back story.

[ILB]

Do you not agree with Bamber that the burn marks were inflicted on the massacre night?

Do you not think shooting, brutally beating & inheriting Nevill's estate was spiteful & degrading Nevill enough? Not sure how 3 burn marks suddenly satisfies Bamber.

I've made my thoughts clear on the AGA issue.

Bamber is a life sentenced prisoner who has been trying to get out for decades maintaining his innocence.

[Adam]

Indeed it would. But supposing they were done, one at a time, when he was possibly semi conscious and slumped in the chair, as a taunt/to make a point, over a period of time? prior to being finally tipped forward into the coal skuttle. Naturally, it requires some sort of back story.

The burn marks were on his back so could not be self inflicted.

Can't think of any credible way Nevill could have received the burn marks from someone else pre massacre. So must have been inflicted by Bamber after shots 1-4 & the brutal kitchen attack.

Torture has been ruled out as Nevill was not awake/alive & 3 burns does not equal torture.

The only credible reason is to check for signs of life. ILB believes Nevill would just rely on a pulse check. Then we are back to square one looking for Bamber's reason.

[snow66!]

I really cant understand why everyone is so unwilling to accept that the Aga may well have caused the burns to Nevills back and instead pursue more sinister and far fetched explanations.

[ILB]

The burn marks were on his back so could not be self inflicted.

Can't think of any credible way Nevill could have received the burn marks from someone else pre massacre. So must have been inflicted by Bamber after shots 1-4 & the brutal kitchen attack.

Torture has been ruled out as Nevill was not awake/alive & 3 burns does not equal torture.

The only credible reason is to check for signs of life. ILB believes Nevill would just rely on a pulse check. Then we are back to square one looking for Bamber's reason.

Bamber would have done a simple pulse check. He then went upstairs to Shelia so was not concerned about Nevill.

For me in the state Nevill was in a visual would have been enough.

[ILB]

Wouldn't say when looking at it Nevill put up a terrific fight Bamber more went to complete town on him.

Bamber didn't have a mark upon him. Not what was discovered in the immediate aftermath.

[ILB]

Torture has been ruled out as Nevill was not awake/alive & 3 burns does not equal

Please stop trying to goad. Nothing has been ruled out.

[ILB]

I really cant understand why everyone is so unwilling to accept that the Aga may well have caused the burns to Nevills back and instead pursue more sinister and far fetched explanations.

Ive not ruled the aga out I just believe it wouldn't overturn the convictions when other evidence such as JM and more importantly the blood evidence remains unchallenged.

[ILB]

For me if he did burn his back with the rifle he dropped a bollock in doing so.

Because it's the sign of someone clear headed and calcuating, not a women with mental health issues gone berserk.

[Jonathan]

At the trial what did the defence say about the burns?

[snow66!]

At the trial what did the defence say about the burns?

Vanezis trial evidence is in the archive here, Jonathan, he talks about the marks.
I think it was knight who gave evidence for the defence, he thought they may be caused by an object striking Nevills back, and not burns at all, I think!
Maybe someone else can help?
I'll take a look in the books.