Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.

[Adam]

He couldn't get Sheila to shoot herself. The rifle with silencer was too long.

He would want Sheila dead with the minimum of resistance. So would shoot her himself.

With the rifle on her, impossible to tell if she shot herself or was shot. So no benefit in getting her to shoot herself. But a lot more difficult.

[Rob_]

He couldn't get Sheila to shoot herself. The rifle with silencer was too long.

He would want Sheila dead with the minimum of resistance. So would shoot her himself.

With the rifle on her, impossible to tell if she shot herself or was shot. So no benefit in getting her to shoot herself. But a lot more difficult.

Why is this a problem? All he has to do is remove the silencer place it beside her etc.

[ILB]

We are all different and of course we are looking at this from the outside and with the benefit of hindsight.

If I was Bamber, I would have been thinking to put it blunt.


" Fuck sake I shot her twice "

" Fuck sake, I went to town on dad, I went overboard with him more than I should, will they believe Shelia did this?

By that time though he had done what he had done. He also got a favourable result with the pathologist who said that two shot suicides are not common but not unheard of.

[ILB]

He couldn't get Sheila to shoot herself. The rifle with silencer was too long

He could use persuasion or threats, I don't believe he personally did though.

[ILB]

Why is this a problem? All he has to do is remove the silencer place it beside her etc.

I would have wanted that silencer gone off the scene.

Pretty shocked he didn't in the very least clean it.

[ILB]

Can only imagine he may have thought that it would have looked suspcious if it had been discovered missing had they done a thorough investigation. Remember he had no idea how it would all plan out. Before 1985 he had never been arrested, let alone committed x5 murder and then tried to trick the police.

Bamber although may have done some petty things wasn't a master criminal and had no prior police involvement He was a posh boy farmer. 

[Adam]

Believe EP think he only realised the rifle with silencer was too long for Sheila after he had shot her & during the staging. 

He then took the silencer off & put it away when he went downstairs.

If he had known beforehand, he certainly did not try to persuade Sheila to shoot herself. He just shot her with silencer attached.

[Adam]

Everyone else had been shot with silencer attached. So Sheila would be no different.

CAL/EP believe Sheila woke mid massacre & froze. Giving him the option of shooting Sheila. In this situation he certainly did not take the silencer off beforehand as he had to act instantly.

[ILB]

Believe EP think he only realised the rifle with silencer was too long for Sheila after he had shot her & during the staging. 

He then took the silencer off & put it away when he went downstairs.

If he had known beforehand, he certainly did not try to persuade Sheila to shoot herself. He just shot her with silencer attached.

Possibly.

Depends on how much research he had done. He had used the rifle before and of course he knew Shelias height.

Shelia was above average height for a woman, believe she was 5 7, 58

[ILB]

Everyone else had been shot with silencer attached. So Sheila would be no different.

CAL/EP believe Sheila woke mid massacre & froze. Giving him the option of shooting Sheila. In this situation he certainly did not take the silencer off beforehand as he had to act instantly.

It was different in the sense that Shelia was his intended scapegoat so he would be aiming for one shot to replicate a suicide.

With the others he could go to town on, however I believe he regretted the Nevill overkill.

[snow66!]

It was different in the sense that Shelia was his intended scapegoat so he would be aiming for one shot to replicate a suicide.

With the others he could go to town on, however I believe he regretted the Nevill overkill.

Surely most overkill was with the boys, ILB? Or do you mean the beating that Nevill received?

[ILB]

Surely most overkill was with the boys, ILB? Or do you mean the beating that Nevill received?

I mean the Nevill overkill snow.

Shelias height and weight disadvantage to Nevill has plauged Jeremy Bamber for 40 years. Officially anyhow.

[Adam]

Surely most overkill was with the boys, ILB? Or do you mean the beating that Nevill received?

The pathologist report details Nevill's vast and horrific injuries.

[snow66!]

The pathologist report details Nevill's vast and horrific injuries.

I'll take another look, Adam.

[snow66!]

The pathologist report details Nevill's vast and horrific injuries.

Well apart from the bullet wounds he had blows to his face/head, shoulders and arms, Adam.
Some probably with the butt, some with the barrel!