Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.

[Steve_uk]

Don't know to be honest.

There was a frosty atmosphere between himself and the relarives in particular AE pre massacre,  money disputes etc. Osea problems etc

He himself called them " Fucking vultures"

Within hours of the massacre, AE was disbeliving him reference the foster conversation.

I would have thought he would have closed them off completley to WHF to be honest. He had the descretion to do so.

He did, but the farm had been a bane ever since childhood, returning to that desolate landscape after incarceration at that other alien environment, Gresham's School. No wonder the alienation increased year on year, as those intimate strangers at White House Farm became ever distant, to the point he could endure no more. Following the Suzette break up and the miscarriages, which he blamed squarely on the stress induced by his parents, he vowed to exact revenge, and the extermination plan began to germinate in what already was a detached and unbalanced mind.

[ILB]

He was going to buy her off, with the promise of managing a wine bar in a fashionable area of London. The tragic irony was June had the money to set her son up in such an establishment whilst she was still alive. However, Nevill was insistent that his son would only inherit his estate should he be performing the farming function at the time of his death. Jeremy hurried the clock on somewhat.

As for Julie, her conscience was pricked. One can't exactly deduce what transpired between them both post-massacre, but it became apparent to her following the weekend spent with Colin and the dinner at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath that there was some psychological condition afflicting him. Maybe he could never have held down a job permanently, as evidenced by his comment that perhaps he should join cousin Roly in some far-flung Buddist monastery, the excitement of the chase the motivator rather than the sexual act itself. In any event, the break up was inevitable at some point, one feels, and the truth would out, though from which party first will remain moot.

His Valium intake post massacre may have not been for show, he may have been shocked by what he had actually done. To kill two little boys in their beds etc, that's got to weigh on the mind heavily etc, especially when in the immediate aftermath you are often in the boys fathers company. He was essentially if you believe him guilty living a lie in that month period before arrest.

He is still living a lie 40 years on many think.

[ILB]

He did, but the farm had been a bane ever since childhood, returning to that desolate landscape after incarceration at that other alien environment, Gresham's School. No wonder the alienation increased year on year, as those intimate strangers at White House Farm became ever distant, to the point he could endure no more. Following the Suzette break up and the miscarriages, which he blamed squarely on the stress induced by his parents, he vowed to exact revenge, and the extermination plan began to germinate in what already was a detached and unbalanced mind.

He didn't, he signed a form giving AE full access.

[ILB]

He did, but the farm had been a bane ever since childhood, returning to that desolate landscape after incarceration at that other alien environment, Gresham's School. No wonder the alienation increased year on year, as those intimate strangers at White House Farm became ever distant, to the point he could endure no more. Following the Suzette break up and the miscarriages, which he blamed squarely on the stress induced by his parents, he vowed to exact revenge, and the extermination plan began to germinate in what already was a detached and unbalanced mind.

Often wonder how much thought he gave AE and Co and what they may do prior the massacre to be honest.  What he thought theyre reaction may be.

[Steve_uk]

He didn't, he signed a form giving AE full access.

Sorry, I misread. He closed himself off to White House Farm as it wasn't bricks and mortar he could sell and he just wanted rid of the memory. So different from the blissful childhood he claims to have experienced to any gullible listener he encounters.

[Steve_uk]

His Valium intake post massacre may have not been for show, he may have been shocked by what he had actually done. To kill two little boys in their beds etc, that's got to weigh on the mind heavily etc, especially when in the immediate aftermath you are often in the boys fathers company. He was essentially if you believe him guilty living a lie in that month period before arrest.

He is still living a lie 40 years on many think.

Some good points.

[Adam]

The relatives may have still been suspicious if Sheila was a fully fit woman. As Nevill was so big and powerful & June was a fully fit woman.

Sheila being so drowsy & lethargic on tbe night, Bamber would have considered an advantage for him inside WHF.

It was then about convincing the police from 3.26am onwards. No one contradicting what he was saying until days afterwards.

[ILB]

The relatives may have still been suspicious if Sheila was a fully fit woman. As Nevill was so big and powerful.

That's been an problem for Jeremy Bamber for over 40 years. I must admit when I first saw the Nevill situation my immediate reaction was " A bloke had to have done this "

[Adam]

Bamber would have been confident when speaking to the police early on. His 'loony' phrases were wrong  but it was the 80's.

He had told Julie 'everything is going well' & rang Chelmsford Police when he was ready. He would be relieved he got out of WHF without injury. Nevill's resistance and Sheila's 2 shots had not sunk in.
 
He was not so confident a few weeks later.

Kristel Candelario was confident when giving the police her narrative at home. Speaking fluent English. After her arrest she was not so confident and wanted everything translated!

[ILB]

Bamber would have been confident when speaking to the police early on. His 'loony' phrases were wrong  but it was the 80's.

He was not so confident a few weeks later

I tend to on the whole disagree with that although evidence exists her was a little frightened in the call to Michael deckers, he for me remained fairly cool calm and confident. Steadfast in his denial and sources say he was confident of an aquittal.

Stan himself even refenced it was like a " Mental chess game " interviewing Bamber and admitted he struggled to find a chink in the armour.

[Adam]

I tend to on the whole disagree with that although evidence exists her was a little frightened in the call to Michael deckers, he for me remained fairly cool calm and confident. Steadfast in his denial and sources say he was confident of an aquittal.

Stan himself even refenced it was like a " Mental chess game " interviewing Bamber and admitted he struggled to find a chink in the armour.

He would be less confident after his arrest. As he would know the police & Julie were not on his side anymore. 

Appreciate he dug in.

[ILB]

He would be less confident after his arrest. As he would know the police & Julie were not on his side anymore. 

Appreciate he dug in.

Believe as we have both pointed out, he was riding heavily on the scapegoat having the mental health factor.

His WS on 7th and 8th August go into detail of Shelias predicament and he basically gives a life story on Shelia giving key dates etc.  So he had some good understanding of it. Even if brother and sister were not close.

[ILB]

Bamber would have been confident when speaking to the police early on.

Booking appointments, swanning around, heavy drinking sessions did him no favours in people's eyes.

[Steve_uk]

He was going to buy her off, with the promise of managing a wine bar in a fashionable area of London. The tragic irony was June had the money to set her son up in such an establishment whilst she was still alive. However, Nevill was insistent that his son would only inherit his estate should he be performing the farming function at the time of his death. Jeremy hurried the clock on somewhat.

As for Julie, her conscience was pricked. One can't exactly deduce what transpired between them both post-massacre, but it became apparent to her following the weekend spent with Colin and the dinner at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath that there was some psychological condition afflicting him. Maybe he could never have held down a job permanently, as evidenced by his comment that perhaps he should join cousin Roly in some far-flung Buddist monastery, at home the excitement of the chase the motivator rather than the sexual act itself. In any event, the break up was inevitable at some point, one feels, and the truth would out, though from which party first will remain moot.

Cousin Roly with wife Clare, though I'm unsure as to the date of the photograph: https://www.flickr.com/photos/49171558@N05/4510653574

[ILB]

Cousin Roly with wife Clare, though I'm unsure as to the date of the photograph: https://www.flickr.com/photos/49171558@N05/4510653574

Think he worked on WHF for a while but was kicked out by Nevill who got fed up with the cannabis use. ( he found him alternative employment)