Nick Milbank confirms that Jeremy Bamber is innocent

[Hardy Boy]

I have serious concerns over the Burrell statement which was made after the event and does not agree with the CD log, a contemporaneous document.

Why was he asking for a line check at 05.55am when the log says that the phone was engaged at 05.47am. Eight minutes earlier. There is another entry at 05.50 which says the GPO will monitor the line and let them know if they hear anything and that he (HQ Burrell) had been informed.

There was no good reason to recheck the line at 05.55am according to the log and information which he had been given before 05.55am

This suggests that the Burrell statement may be faked.

Maybe Burrell was asked to make a statement once it became a murder investigation instead of a murder suicide? 

Burrell’s statement faked ok.

[Adam]

What seems clear is the WHF phone was off the hook at 4.00am. When first checked by Jean Rowe.

So was taken off the hook by Bamber before he exited WHF.

Or left off the hook by Nevill when he called Bamber at 3.10am.

Not sure why Nevill would leave the phone off the hook. It would not save him any time. He had time to ring & speak. Bamber also said the line went dead.

[Hardy Boy]

What seems clear is the WHF phone was off the hook at 4.00am. When first checked by Jean Rowe.

So was taken off the hook by Bamber before he exited WHF.

Or left off the hook by Nevill when he called Bamber at 3.10am.

Not sure why Nevill would leave the phone off the hook. It would not save him any time. He had time to ring & speak. Bamber also said the line went dead.

If Sheila was to make a call from WHF she would have to break the connection, not sure she could have done this from WHF if the connection had been made via the Operator.  She would also have had to place the receiver down for a number of minutes before she would be able to call out to clear the lines and connection,  If she was able to do all this, she did so and then said Nothing?

[Hardy Boy]

What seems clear is the WHF phone was off the hook at 4.00am. When first checked by Jean Rowe.

So was taken off the hook by Bamber before he exited WHF.

Or left off the hook by Nevill when he called Bamber at 3.10am.

Not sure why Nevill would leave the phone off the hook. It would not save him any time. He had time to ring & speak. Bamber also said the line went dead.

It was a simple request that’s all, connect WHF to the Police headquarters via the 999 system, that way the Police could monitor the phone line constantly before entry without going through the Operator.

[Bubo bubo]

If Sheila was to make a call from WHF she would have to break the connection, not sure she could have done this from WHF if the connection had been made via the Operator.  She would also have had to place the receiver down for a number of minutes before she would be able to call out to clear the lines and connection,  If she was able to do all this, she did so and then said Nothing?

Remember that there is no TOD for the victims. Therefore any call attempted at 05.47 could have been made by SC, June or NB. I think you will find that if the handset was returned to the cradle it would immediately render the line operable. There would be no waiting time because there was no link in place from an earlier call.

[Bubo bubo]

If we take it literally, like the Campaign Team do, we have Sheila making more calls that Alexander Bell.

I am just old enough to remember from the 80s and the 90s that if a phone is "off the hook", you get the same tone as "engaged".

For example, once or twice I rang by boss just after 6pm (I was a paper boy, I can't remember why) and I thought the phone was engaged, so I tried several times. It wasn't. He closed at 6 and took the phone off the hook to get peace and quiet from any customers trying to ring him whilst he had tea.

You are 100% correct. That is why only the operator can get a true reading of the line status from information presented to them on their switchboard. If West had dialled WHF he would have got an engaged tone and this is why he asked for a line check at 03.42am

[Hardy Boy]

Remember that there is no TOD for the victims. Therefore any call attempted at 05.47 could have been made by SC, June or NB. I think you will find that if the handset was returned to the cradle it would immediately render the line operable. There would be no waiting time because there was no link in place from an earlier call.

So your saying the call came in at 5.47 am then Bubo and not 6.09am.  Incidentally I helped saved an OWL yesterday, it was caught in fishing line on the far side of the Canal, just hanging over the water.

[Hardy Boy]

If we take it literally, like the Campaign Team do, we have Sheila making more calls that Alexander Bell.

I am just old enough to remember from the 80s and the 90s that if a phone is "off the hook", you get the same tone as "engaged".

For example, once or twice I rang by boss just after 6pm (I was a paper boy, I can't remember why) and I thought the phone was engaged, so I tried several times. It wasn't. He closed at 6 and took the phone off the hook to get peace and quiet from any customers trying to ring him whilst he had tea.

Yes Sheila was making these calls and Saying nothing at all.

[Hardy Boy]

Remember that there is no TOD for the victims. Therefore any call attempted at 05.47 could have been made by SC, June or NB. I think you will find that if the handset was returned to the cradle it would immediately render the line operable. There would be no waiting time because there was no link in place from an earlier call.

So Neville or June could have been alive at 5.47am when the police were outside trying to communicate via Loudspeaker? 

[Bubo bubo]

So your saying the call came in at 5.47 am then Bubo and not 6.09am.  Incidentally I helped saved an OWL yesterday, it was caught in fishing line on the far side of the Canal, just hanging over the water.

We do not know exactly when the call was made. The time was based on the line check by the operator. This development would mean that the police had to make a plan and would have required authority from those at the scene as to what action should be taken. The line checking was re-enforced by a request at 05.45am (see log) A decision was made and the line switched at 06.09. It seems to me that HQ and CD would not make the decision without seeking direction from more senior officers (Maybe Adams) at the scene,

What was the species of the owl.

[Bubo bubo]

So Neville or June could have been alive at 5.47am when the police were outside trying to communicate via Loudspeaker?

It is a possibility. We do not know their physical state at this time or their precise location in relation to the phone and whether they were able to respond without putting themselves in further danger.

[Hardy Boy]

We do not know exactly when the call was made. The time was based on the line check by the operator. This development would mean that the police had to make a plan and would have required authority from those at the scene as to what action should be taken. The line checking was re-enforced by a request at 05.45am (see log) A decision was made and the line switched at 06.09. It seems to me that HQ and CD would not make the decision without seeking direction from more senior officers (Maybe Adams) at the scene,

What was the species of the owl.

I don’t know Bubo, it was on the far bank, I tried to contact the rangers and couldn’t get through, I then tried to contact the RSPCA and no answer, so I made a cycle dash of about three miles to look for the Rangers, I managed to get someone in the office who alerted the ground Rangers, who eventually rescued it.  It was hanging over the water so I couldn’t get to the far bank.   The amount of fishing line hanging from the trees is shocking. 

[Hardy Boy]

We do not know exactly when the call was made. The time was based on the line check by the operator. This development would mean that the police had to make a plan and would have required authority from those at the scene as to what action should be taken. The line checking was re-enforced by a request at 05.45am (see log) A decision was made and the line switched at 06.09. It seems to me that HQ and CD would not make the decision without seeking direction from more senior officers (Maybe Adams) at the scene,

What was the species of the owl.

Im pretty certain it was Adam’s who made the Request for it to be monitored, I can’t find it anywhere but I’m sure I’ve read it.

Incidentally Jean Rowe’s statement is signed on the 8th of August 1985 where she says she connected the two line for the police to listen in?

[Roch]

Whatever is or isn't confirmed by Milbank, the recent statement produced by Essex Police is bizarre.

[snow66!]

Whatever is or isn't confirmed by Milbank, the recent statement produced by Essex Police is bizarre.

What are they saying, Roch?