Nick Milbank confirms that Jeremy Bamber is innocent

[Adam]

I suppose, when you think about it, the Stokenchurch inquiry should have uncovered what exactly happened at 6.09?
So we have to ask, why doesn't the police and CCRC just produce the evidence that it was the operator making the link up at 6.09? One has to ask, do they actually 'have' any proof?
And if not, why not??
Are they saying that Milbanks Stokenchurch statement is the proof of the link up at 6.09? If so, all they have to do is produce his original 'signed' statement from 2002.
And if the CCRC 'cant' produce a genuine signed copy, does this mean that Milbank was indeed trlling the truth that he gave no statement to Stokenchurch? And if so, did the police cover up a call from inside WHF?
Surely to god there must be undisputed evidence of a 6.09 link up if it happened?? And if not, well, we can only assume that a call was indeed made from inside WHF at 6.09 while JB was outside with the police!
Yes, I am inclined to agree with Bill, the Stokenchurch files 'should' be able to prove things one way or another.

The evidence is Burrell's 1985 WS.

The phone was off the hook when checked earlier. As the crime scene photos show.

[snow66!]

The evidence is Burrell's 1985 WS.

The phone was off the hook when checked earlier. As the crime scene photos show.

Yes, Burrell says that the link was made at 6.09 'and then' Milbank monitored it!
No mention of Milbank answering any call.
So according to Burrell the link was established and then Milbank was instructed to monitor it!
But how on earth could Milbank have forgot this and imagined he answered a call??
Indeed, Milband told Heidi,  'from what I can remember it was a case of someone ringing 999 and me answering it'  or words to that effect! No mention of being told to monitor the line!

[Steve_uk]

Yes, Burrell says that the link was made at 6.09 'and then' Milbank monitored it!
No mention of Milbank answering any call.
So according to Burrell the link was established and then Milbank was instructed to monitor it!
But how on earth could Milbank have forgot this and imagined he answered a call??

Maybe 999 or the White House Farm number flashed up on a screen. But nobody spoke. Unlike Sheila, according to the Helen Grimster statement, and FA said she was ranting and raving whilst having her second breakdown, so if this was her third the lack of any speech does stretch credibility.

[snow66!]

Maybe 999 or the White House Farm number flashed up on a screen. But nobody spoke. Unlike Sheila, according to the Helen Grimster statement, and FA said she was ranting and raving whilst having her second breakdown, so if this was her third the lack of any speech does stretch credibility.

Well, there are just too many 'maybes' in the mean time, Steve! No mention of how Milbank knew where the alleged 999 call was coming from at the moment! If it flashed on a screen, why didn't he say so?

[BarefootDanC]

Well, either it was Sheila making a 999 call or it was the operator making the link from the farm to the police at 6.09, how this can be proven one way or the other is beyond me? Not enough details at the moment!
Maybe the CT should investigate the  'phone engaged' at 5.47 log like Bubo says? Like finding out who wrote it and exactly what it means?

The contemporaneously made log shows that 6:09, "999" was being used to listen in to WHF.

[BarefootDanC]

It was standard operating procedure, as he explained in the podcast. It is also inconceivable that the officers at WHF were not informed about the 999 call

So why did those officers keep quiet about it?

[BarefootDanC]

I think that the point is that the CCRC should investigate; get hold of the Stokenchurch files and view the report. It will confirm that the 999 call was made. It is the CCRC’s responsibility to investigate, something they seem to want to avoid.

Why would Stokenchurch make a record of exculpatory information and hide it?

[snow66!]

The contemporaneously made log shows that 6:09, "999" was being used to listen in to WHF.

Yes, the log certainly seems to indicate the link being made at 6.09, Dan!
What do you make of the line being engaged at 5.47? How can we explain that?

[BarefootDanC]

Yes, the log certainly seems to indicate the link being made at 6.09, Dan!
What do you make of the line being engaged at 5.47? How can we explain that?

If we take it literally, like the Campaign Team do, we have Sheila making more calls that Alexander Bell.

I am just old enough to remember from the 80s and the 90s that if a phone is "off the hook", you get the same tone as "engaged".

For example, once or twice I rang by boss just after 6pm (I was a paper boy, I can't remember why) and I thought the phone was engaged, so I tried several times. It wasn't. He closed at 6 and took the phone off the hook to get peace and quiet from any customers trying to ring him whilst he had tea.

[snow66!]

If we take it literally, like the Campaign Team do, we have Sheila making more calls that Alexander Bell.

I am just old enough to remember from the 80s and the 90s that if a phone is "off the hook", you get the same tone as "engaged".

For example, once or twice I rang by boss just after 6pm (I was a paper boy, I can't remember why) and I thought the phone was engaged, so I tried several times. It wasn't. He closed at 6 and took the phone off the hook to get peace and quiet from any customers trying to ring him whilst he had tea.

So, in your opinion, JB left the phone in the kitchen off the hook after he had murdered his family around 2.30 and it stayed that way until after the crime scene photos were taken around 11.00 o'clock the next morning then Dan?

[Steve_uk]

So, in your opinion, JB left the phone in the kitchen off the hook after he had murdered his family around 2.30 and it stayed that way until after the crime scene photos were taken around 11.00 o'clock the next morning then Dan?

It's the same day though, Snow66! Strange Jean Rowe heard a dog barking, but Milbank claimed to hear what he thought were voices. I can't help but think he was inventing things, though for what reason I don't know.

[Rob_]

So, in your opinion, JB left the phone in the kitchen off the hook after he had murdered his family around 2.30 and it stayed that way until after the crime scene photos were taken around 11.00 o'clock the next morning then Dan?

No Snow, engaged means the line is busy.

In those days resources were limited so a off the hook telephone set a alarm on at the exchange to warn the operator.

So to go from off the hook to engaged someone had to replace the handset and dial out. Unless the operator made a mistake and recorded engaged when they meant off the hook. 

[BarefootDanC]

So, in your opinion, JB left the phone in the kitchen off the hook after he had murdered his family around 2.30 and it stayed that way until after the crime scene photos were taken around 11.00 o'clock the next morning then Dan?

Correct. Sheila did not make umpteen phone calls.

[Hardy Boy]

It's the same day though, Snow66! Strange Jean Rowe heard a dog barking, but Milbank claimed to hear what he thought were voices. I can't help but think he was inventing things, though for what reason I don't know.

The voices would be the challenges to the house, Adam’s makes a note that GPR could hear dog barking and challenges to the house.  The challenges carried on so it’s probably what Millbank heard?

[snow66!]

It's the same day though, Snow66! Strange Jean Rowe heard a dog barking, but Milbank claimed to hear what he thought were voices. I can't help but think he was inventing things, though for what reason I don't know.

Was it Jean Rowe who made the link ay 6.09, Steve? If so, why wasn't she asked to confirm this for the Stokenchurch enquiry? Or was she?