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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2025, 04:23:PM »
You try so hard to appear super smart Steve but every time you use that word I think oh dear what a plonker!

Has it not occurred to you that no one supports a mass killer, if I thought Bamber guilty I would say so like everyone else on here who thinks this is a MOJ.
Well, I'm not a nodding dog; never have been.

I do hope this site is not going to descend into acrimony, as it has done on several occasions in the past.

I note Marjorie Taylor Greene will resign in the New Year. I went off her following this interview: https://youtu.be/rz_bzM7LYno
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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2025, 05:19:PM »
Well, I'm not a nodding dog; never have been.

I do hope this site is not going to descend into acrimony, as it has done on several occasions in the past.

I note Marjorie Taylor Greene will resign in the New Year. I went off her following this interview: https://youtu.be/rz_bzM7LYno
The Bamberettes name has been here since at least 2011 Steve, it’s always been used even by supporters and first used by his supporters and passed on  to Jeremy himself as a joke, I can remember the conversation.
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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2025, 08:43:AM »
Have never liked the phrase " Guilters, and supporters even though of course that's what most if not all are in all honesty.

Reduces it to like football teams, five people including two little kids lost their life's.
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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2025, 08:44:AM »
It's stated in #17, from one of the Heidi Blake podcast episodes.

Lomax also went into the subject in depth from memory.
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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2025, 05:18:PM »
There have been so many denials on this site about the meeting between Michael Fielder, Jeremy Bamber and Brett Collins at the Nag's Head, Chelmsford. It's good to hear from the horse's mouth after all this time that the incident did occur.
We’re not dealing with rumour or denials now Steve the denials have been put to bed, we can get rid of hearsay, gossip, and Tabloid spin, 
We’re dealing with his own account confirming he entertained the idea, and then he tries a deflection to try not to own it.  First the caravan park break in was (to test security) later admitting for Greed, then I discussed selling photos, but it wasn’t really my fault.

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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2025, 02:10:PM »
For me if you can lead an somewhat active social life, and undertake cleaning jobs, and go on nights out and plan holidays you have some level of dexrity and nous.

All this "couldn't make beans on toast crap" is bollocks

Nor is the children being in their fathers care a red flag.

There is a lot of reference to Shelia been poor with finances.
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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2025, 05:41:PM »
For me if you can lead an somewhat active social life, and undertake cleaning jobs, and go on nights out and plan holidays you have some level of dexrity and nous.

All this "couldn't make beans on toast crap" is bollocks

Nor is the children being in their fathers care a red flag.

There is a lot of reference to Shelia been poor with finances.
That's why June used to bring her food parcels, so any money wasn't spent on recreational drugs. When Sheila was on medication the side effects were instability as regards gait, smudged lipstick as noted by shopkeeper Barry Parker that final day, nurse Caroline Heath noticing how unkempt she looked when not told to look smart, which she could do when prompted to do so.

Planning nights out with friends and accomplishing some quality of life were in collision with each other, her working life also being another disaster area. It may have been that June was beginning to realize after her daughter's second breakdown that she couldn't hold down a regular job and some niche sinecure was being arranged for her at Maldon Growers, with the possibility of her living full time at Bourtree Cottage.

Was this what tipped Jeremy over the edge, with the temptation of the vacant Maida Vale flat beckoning, or simply that Sheila was so far gone that final week that he realized now was the chance to put the dastardly plan he had discussed with Julie in to action?

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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2025, 06:13:PM »
That's why June used to bring her food parcels, so any money wasn't spent on recreational drugs. When Sheila was on medication the side effects were instability as regards gait, smudged lipstick as noted by shopkeeper Barry Parker that final day, nurse Caroline Heath noticing how unkempt she looked when not told to look smart, which she could do when prompted to do so.

Planning nights out with friends and accomplishing some quality of life were in collision with each other, her working life also being another disaster area. It may have been that June was beginning to realize after her daughter's second breakdown that she couldn't hold down a regular job and some niche sinecure was being arranged for her at Maldon Growers, with the possibility of her living full time at Bourtree Cottage.

Was this what tipped Jeremy over the edge, with the temptation of the vacant Maida Vale flat beckoning, or simply that Sheila was so far gone that final week that he realized now was the chance to put the dastardly plan he had discussed with Julie in to action?
I heard a news article today about someone who was neglecting his medication and attempted to kill four people with a crossbow, and like Sheila he was using cannabis at the time too which exacerbated his psychosis, a perfect storm!
Truth is, Sheila was a reckless young lady who was also making her mental problems worse due to drug abuse, which probably 'tipped her over the edge', Steve!
Quite plausible, quite plausible indeed! No other suspects or fantastical scenarios needed!

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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2025, 06:17:PM »
Sheila couldn't function in the years, months, weeks & hours leading up to the massacre.

Whether she woke mid massacre as CAL/EP suggest or was woken by Bamber as RB suggests, a lamb to the slaughter.
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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2025, 06:39:PM »
I heard a news article today about someone who was neglecting his medication and attempted to kill four people with a crossbow, and like Sheila he was using cannabis at the time too which exacerbated his psychosis, a perfect storm!
Truth is, Sheila was a reckless young lady who was also making her mental problems worse due to drug abuse, which probably 'tipped her over the edge', Steve!
Quite plausible, quite plausible indeed! No other suspects or fantastical scenarios needed!
At trial Doctor Hugh Cameron Ferguson is on record as saying he didn't think the cannabis would react negatively with the Haloperidol. Of course, Sheila was a good suspect superficially, and the Defence's strongest card, so I don't blame them for highlighting past incidents.

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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2025, 06:47:PM »
Sheila couldn't function in the years, months, weeks & hours leading up to the massacre.

Whether she woke mid massacre as CAL/EP suggest or was woken by Bamber as RB suggests, a lamb to the slaughter.
Yes I agree that Sheila wasn't functioning well due to dangerous interactions between prescribed medication and illegal drugs, which was just too much for her fragile mind to handle, Adam!
And once she did break down, there was no stopping her rampage.
Lamb to the slaughter, she was not!! She had turned in to the wolf!!

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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2025, 06:49:PM »
At trial Doctor Hugh Cameron Ferguson is on record as saying he didn't think the cannabis would react negatively with the Haloperidol. Of course, Sheila was a good suspect superficially, and the Defence's strongest card, so I don't blame them for highlighting past incidents.
A lot more is known about cannabis these days, Steve!

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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2025, 06:55:PM »
A lot more is known about cannabis these days, Steve!
Isn't the cannabis available nowadays stronger than that available in the 1980s? Not sure where I read that.

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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2025, 06:58:PM »
Yes I agree that Sheila wasn't functioning well due to dangerous interactions between prescribed medication and illegal drugs, which was just too much for her fragile mind to handle, Adam!
And once she did break down, there was no stopping her rampage.
Lamb to the slaughter, she was not!! She had turned in to the wolf!!
Her violence wasn't directed against people, though, apart from her destroying a few of Colin's sculptures, upsetting as that might have been. Ranting and raving during her second breakdown her fists were beating against the wall, not against humans. In the state completely unmedicated she followed the pattern statistically of the vast majority of schizophrenics: more a danger to oneself than others.

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Re: Was Sheila under-medicated?
« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2025, 07:00:PM »
Yes I agree that Sheila wasn't functioning well due to dangerous interactions between prescribed medication and illegal drugs, which was just too much for her fragile mind to handle, Adam!
And once she did break down, there was no stopping her rampage.
Lamb to the slaughter, she was not!! She had turned in to the wolf!!

So that's why Nevill rang Jeremy and Chelmsford Police.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.