Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:

[ILB]

But what could the relatives do apart from protest to police? He nearly got away with it.

All points to an rash and hasty on the spur decision.

The dialogue to Julie

The overkill on Nevill

The two shot suicide

The moderator.

[Steve_uk]

It may have been down to his own frustrations as well. His anger and bitterness may have overrided.

Exhaustion and hatred is a deadly combo. He had worked a 14 hour shift.

If he argued that afternoon in the field with Shelia it may have just simply snapped him.

I wonder how much of Jeremy's social life Sheila knew. The argument couldn't have been about his work rate as he had buckled down those last few months, albeit to fulfil the provisions of Nevill's will.

Of course, there may not have been an argument at all, though I sense there was. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3760.msg151053.html#msg151053

[Steve_uk]

All points to an rash and hasty on the spur decision.

The dialogue to Julie

The overkill on Nevill

The two shot suicide

The moderator.

It had all been conjecture hitherto, but the family was all under one roof and the reality registered. As he told Julie in the first telephone call, it was "now or never." The tragedy was it almost was never, as his girlfriend rambled on about her day at work, failing to recognize the import of his words. He could now be a wealthy man in his own right, sharing the inheritance with Sheila, excluding the Pargeters and looking back at what a fool he had been to contemplate such diablerie, instead of the incarceration which he faces until the day he dies.

[ILB]

It had all been conjecture hitherto, but the family was all under one roof and the reality registered. As he told Julie in the first telephone call, it was "now or never." The tragedy was it almost was never, as his girlfriend rambled on about her day at work, failing to recognize the import of his words. He could now be a wealthy man in his own right, sharing the inheritance with Sheila, excluding the Pargeters and looking back at what a fool he had been to contemplate such diablerie, instead of the incarceration which he faces until the day he dies.

Now or never, especially after a 14 hour shift on a weekday evening translates to ," Ive had enough Im doing it "

Even with the long backlog of pre talk and planning. All it takes is a stressor to push someone to it.

[ILB]

I wonder how much of Jeremy's social life Sheila knew. The argument couldn't have been about his work rate as he had buckled down those last few months, albeit to fulfil the provisions of Nevill's will.

Of course, there may not have been an argument at all, though I sense there was. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3760.msg151053.html#msg151053

It may have been over something trivial but if one is harbouring resentment it can fester.

[Adam]

Both sides agreed at trial the silencer was on the rifle during the massacre. Which would have given Rivlin huge doubt.

It wasn't until the mid 90's that Bamber realised he would have to disagree with both sides.

[ILB]

He was using the 2 extremes -

Sheila would be a lamb to the slaughter for him.

He then had to convince the police the opposite. That she was too strong for everyone inside WHF.

Would have liked Heidi Blake to have put to him on tape the " Your dad was too strong to be killed by Shelia "

[Adam]

A letter on FB  from CC says on most days the 5 year old twins had to dress themselves, make there own breakfast and then wake a sleeping Sheila. So she could take them to school.

Sadly all of them lambs to the slaughter on the 7th August 1985.

[ILB]

A letter on FB  from CC says on most days the 5 year old twins had to dress themselves, make there own breakfast and then wake a sleeping Sheila. So she could take them to school.

Sadly all of them lambs to the slaughter on the 7th August 1985.

Jeremy wouldn't have attempted this massacre if Shelia was completely out of it.

Would have been msdness.

[Adam]

The twins may have been taken away by social services if CC was not available.

CC said they were constantly late for school & under performing while with Sheila.

Sheila was on the brink of going into hospital for a long period. Unable to function. The twins couldn't stay at WHF as they needed to continue going to school.

CC took over looking after the twins to prevent a social services intervention. 

[Adam]

CC said the twins were complaining to him about Sheila's poor communication towards them.

It is saying something when 5 year olds complain about the communication of an adult.

Sheila's two long term stays in hospital resulted in CC, Nevill & June taking over control of Sheila & the twins.

[ILB]

CC said the twins were complaining to him about Sheila's poor communication towards them.

It is saying something when 5 year olds complain about the communication of an adult.

Sheila's two long term stays in hospital resulted in CC, Nevill & June taking over control of Sheila & the twins.

Not going to go over old ground when a wealth of evidence exists to suggest Shelia had dexterity.

[Adam]

Sheila was in prime condition for Bamber.

Was able to walk so it could be claimed she could travel around WHF with the rifle. Simultaneously she would sleep through the massacre and put up no resistance.

[ILB]

Sheila murdering her family for no reason would not be believed by Rivlin.

Her parents & CC were comfortable with Sheila & the twins staying at WHF

The insinuation by Jeremy, the defence etc was that she killed them after a mental breakdown after suffering with schizophrenia. So not for no reason.

[Adam]

The insinuation by Jeremy, the defence etc was that she killed them after a mental breakdown after suffering with schizophrenia. So not for no reason.

Agree that the aledged fostering conversation is not a valid reason.

A mental breakdown. Why would she shoot her sleeping children and parents?