Allegedly biased summing up by the judge

[ILB]

If Nevill needed help in calming Sheila down by talking to her, he would use June. As she was inside WHF.

Saying Sheila & June did not get along does not work as they were in regular contact with each other.

Bamber said on the night Sheila was a looney, nutter, do lally, is having treatment; should be locked up & didn't like him. He later said he did not understand her illness. So would be of no use in helping Nevill calm her down via talking.

Bamber was also 3 miles away at 3.00am. Nevill ringing his AM will just agitate Sheila more.

Thanks Adam for that assessment.

[ILB]

But this was a product of Jeremy's deceit, playing on the angle that he, Jeremy, was sympathetic to Colin's plight having been more or less forced into marriage.

Talking more in regards to Daniel and Nicholas.

I think he had some pity for Jeremy and essentially saw him as damaged goods.

[ILB]

If Nevill needed help in calming Sheila down by talking to her, he would use June. As she was inside WHF.

Saying Sheila & June did not get along does not work as they were in regular contact with each other.

Bamber said on the night Sheila was a looney, nutter, do lally, is having treatment; should be locked up & didn't like him. He later said he did not understand her illness. So would be of no use in helping Nevill calm her down via talking.

Bamber was also 3 miles away at 3.00am. Nevill ringing his AM will just agitate Sheila more.

Neither Jeremy or Shelia got along greatly with June.

Both preferring Nevill.

Years on of course Jeremy will spin his relationship with June as harmony, hes fighting his murder convictions.

[Steve_uk]

Talking more in regards to Daniel and Nicholas.

I think he had some pity for Jeremy and essentially saw him as damaged goods.

I'm not sure Colin had much of an opinion on Jeremy. Maybe in one of the books he says he viewed him as a younger brother. I doubt he was envious or jealous, it just not being in his trusting nature.

[Adam]

Neither Jeremy or Shelia got along greatly with June.

Both preferring Nevill.

Years on of course Jeremy will spin his relationship with June as harmony, hes fighting his murder convictions.

The relationship between June & Sheila was not perfect. What mother/daughter one is?

But if Nevill needed extra help in calming Sheila down by talking, he would use June.

If he chose to physically restrain Sheila, he would do that himself.

[Adam]

June may have gone downstairs herself if she heard raised voices.

The evidence is she did not do that.

[Adam]

The defence scenario is Sheila collected the rifle and fired 9 shots into June & Nevill in/by there bed.

Nevill ran downstairs and started phoning Bamber's AM.

This matches the main bedroom crime scene & includes Nevill's call.

It does have a lot of flaws but saying a fully fit Nevill was downstairs & couldn't control Sheila is much worse.

[Steve_uk]

The defence scenario is Sheila collected the rifle and fired 9 shots into June & Nevill in/by there bed.

Nevill ran downstairs and started phoning Bamber's AM.

This matches the main bedroom crime scene & includes Nevill's call.

It does have a lot of flaws but saying a fully fit Nevill was downstairs & couldn't control Sheila is much worse.

Sheila would have to reload too. It doesn't make any sense at all.

[ILB]

I'm not sure Colin had much of an opinion on Jeremy..

Im pretty sure he did and still does have. He believes he murdered his children.

[ILB]

The relationship between June & Sheila was not perfect. What mother/daughter one is?

But if Nevill needed extra help in calming Sheila down by talking, he would use June.

If he chose to physically restrain Sheila, he would do that himself.

Who is talking about restraining Shelia?

I am merely pointing out the fact both children were closer to their dad.

It happens.

[Steve_uk]

Im pretty sure he did and still does have. He believes he murdered his children.

I was referring to the context of their relationship pre-murders. I'm well aware of what he thinks now. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-took-little-boys-647185

[Steve_uk]

Who is talking about restraining Shelia?

I am merely pointing out the fact both children were closer to their dad.

It happens.

It's a matter of degree, though. Nevill, having been a magistrate, sensed his son's animosity, foretelling his own demise to farm secretary Barbara Wilson, and pouring his heart out to farmer John Seward. Sheila was away most of the time in London, but did rely on him for long telephone chats in the evening, though not buttressing her father in any practical way, albeit through no fault of her own.

[ILB]

The defence scenario is Sheila collected the rifle and fired 9 shots into June & Nevill in/by there bed.

Nevill ran downstairs and started phoning Bamber's AM.

This matches the main bedroom crime scene & includes Nevill's call.

It does have a lot of flaws but saying a fully fit Nevill was downstairs & couldn't control Sheila is much worse.

After well over a decade on a forum saying the same rhetoric you would be better off writing to Bamber himself and engaging with him on the subject.

Jeremy says though " he hasnt a clue what happened " Im sure people will draw their own conclusions from that.

[Adam]

David suggested Nevill started phoning Bamber's AM after Sheila started shooting the twins.

This does match the evidence of there being no blood on the phone. Nevill would also be able to speak.

However a fully fit Nevill allowing things to escalate to Sheila shooting the twins & then just ringing Bamber's AM in response is not credible.

[Steve_uk]

After well over a decade on a forum saying the same rhetoric you would be better off writing to Bamber himself and engaging with him on the subject.

Jeremy says though " he hasnt a clue what happened " Im sure people will draw their own conclusions from that.

Colin Caffell made that mistake, and what a fruitless endeavour it was.