Allegedly biased summing up by the judge

[Hardy Boy]

Probably an attempt to rope her in as an accessory. Strange he was the first to put his hand through, claimed he couldn't reach the key, whereupon he asked for her help, then when she failed lo and behold he managed to retrieve it.

JM didn’t need any roping in Steve, she was already selling drugs and into frauding banks out of money.

[Hardy Boy]

For me it wouldnt be hard.

He would point out the medication she brought.

He would point out all the trips in the aftermath etc

He would say that she is only going to police over jilted love.

Coincidence when Bamber had talked of Drugging his family and then killing them, little Miss sweet innocent all of a sudden couldn’t sleep and got given tranquillisers,  she only took one and couldn’t get on with them,  and the week after coincidentally took the drugs to show Jeremy, and happened to leave them on the microwave at his house.

[Steve_uk]

JM didn’t need any roping in Steve, she was already selling drugs and into frauding banks out of money.

For the first point it's in Susan Battersby's statement that she felt Jeremy Bamber was a bad influence on Julie, way back in the halls of residence days. As to the second, it was a one-off incident, which they both regretted, and there was some mention that Jeremy thought Julie was a "goody two shoes," which might have played a part in their motivation.

[Steve_uk]

Coincidence when Bamber had talked of Drugging his family and then killing them, little Miss sweet innocent all of a sudden couldn’t sleep and got given tranquillisers,  she only took one and couldn’t get on with them,  and the week after coincidentally took the drugs to show Jeremy, and happened to leave them on the microwave at his house.

She was a student on teaching practice. I have known similar individuals throughout my career. It's usually the females taking tranquillizers or sleeping pills and the males binge drinking at weekends. I also hear young people in general now are taking recreational drugs such as ketamine and ecstasy, one addiction I have fortunately avoided to acquire.

[ILB]

As far as image was concerned yes, but with Jeremy it was all bluster. The only kudos he received at that establishment was shooting with the Army Cadets, which in subsequent years he put to good use.

He references that his supreme self confidence comes from his time at Greshams.

[Steve_uk]

He references that his supreme self confidence comes from his time at Greshams.

But it was all image and bluster. He achieved nothing of substance at that establishment.

[ILB]

But it was all image and bluster. He achieved nothing of substance at that establishment.

He wasnt an academic, although apparently had a talent for mathematics.

[Steve_uk]

He wasnt an academic, although apparently had a talent for mathematics.

I think Maths and Geography I read. So he could calculate how much worth his dead parents and sister would be, and navigate his way to White House Farm in the dark.

Apparently he flourished in the less stuffy atmosphere of Colchester College, gaining 7 O Levels in the process, according to the Claire Powell book.

[ILB]

I think Maths and Geography I read. So he could calculate how much worth his dead parents and sister would be, and navigate his way to White House Farm in the dark.

The crime didnt happen overnight on a whim without prior problems  without stating the obvious. For example if you had asked Jeremy in 1978 if he had any thought he would do something like this he would have probably guffawed the thought.

It was a slow process.

[Steve_uk]

The crime didnt happen overnight on a whim without prior problems  without stating the obvious. For example if you had asked Jeremy in 1978 if he had any thought he would do something like this he would have probably guffawed the thought.

It was a slow process.

No, but his talents in certain areas never left him. I'm well aware crimes such as these don't occur in a vacuum. You're going off Roger Wilkes' book Blood Relations I assume, where Jeremy states the relationship with his mother was fine until 1978. But he doesn't explain what the problems were; he just talks in clichés. In the interview given to Eric Allison he can't help but gild the lily, stating that he had an idyllic upbringing, when one knows that just wasn't the case.

[ILB]

No, but his talents in certain areas never left him. I'm well aware crimes such as these don't occur in a vacuum. You're going off Roger Wilkes' book Blood Relations I assume, where Jeremy states the relationship with his mother was fine until 1978. But he doesn't explain what the problems were; he just talks in clichés. In the interview given to Eric Allison he can't help but gild the lily, stating that he had an idyllic upbringing, when one knows that just wasn't the case.

I think he had a warm relationship with Nevill at times. Seems both children preferred their father to June.

In fact in Colins book I got the impression he had more venom for June than Jeremy.

[ILB]

Being not a religious person myself I can state I would have problems with someone attempting to throw religion down my throat. Whether it be a parent or not.

That's not a critiscm of June, each to their own. But trying to impose views on others who dont share them is not going ot go down well in any circumstance.

[Steve_uk]

I think he had a warm relationship with Nevill at times. Seems both children preferred their father to June.

In fact in Colins book I got the impression he had more venom for June than Jeremy.

But this was a product of Jeremy's deceit, playing on the angle that he, Jeremy, was sympathetic to Colin's plight having been more or less forced into marriage.

[Adam]

If Nevill needed help in calming Sheila down by talking to her, he would use June. As she was inside WHF.

Saying Sheila & June did not get along does not work as they were in regular contact with each other.

Bamber said on the night Sheila was a looney, nutter, do lally, is having treatment; should be locked up & didn't like him. He later said he did not understand her illness. So would be of no use in helping Nevill calm her down via talking.

Bamber was also 3 miles away at 3.00am. Nevill ringing his AM will just agitate Sheila more.

[Adam]

If Nevill wanted to use physical force to calm Sheila down, he would do that himself.

June or Bamber would not be needed.