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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2025, 07:28:AM »
I don't disagree with you, but there is no evidence at all - in fact, the evidence points in the opposite direction - that Julie not being charged was in return for her giving testimony.
I think I can make my own mind up. I believe 100 per cent the bank manager was leaned on by the Police,   Mugford and Battersby did not set the meeting up, it was set up by the Police, purely and simply by Essex Police for Mugford to give evidence.

why would the Police not charge Mugford, it was a straight forward charge, easy prosecution, the witness admitted the offence’s,  she admitted to Burglary, to cheque book fraud, she admitted to selling and dealing in drugs, she admitted she new Bamber wanted to kill his family, she admitted she knew he had been involved  with the killing of his family, it was in return so Mugford could give evidence.  they needed Mugford as a witness and without a conviction to help her credibility on the stand.

When did Mugford Smuggle drugs into the UK from Canada, anyone know?  She must have admitted to doing this?


North Essex: Court to hear bank manager evidence

Lawyers arguing the case for Jeremy Bamber are hoping the appeal will hear fresh evidence from a bank manager today.  Yesterday the hearing in London into Bamber's conviction heard the fifth of 15 grounds, which Bamber's team of lawyers say will prove his conviction should be overturned.

Michael Turner QC, said a bank manager at what was then the Midland Bank had made a statement this year concerning Julie Mugford's involvement with cheque book fraud before the murders at White House Farm in 1985.  He said the original trial had heard Julie Mugford and one of her flatmates at the time, Susan Battersby, had admitted acting together in spending Miss Battersby's cheques after reporting them stolen to the bank.

The trial was told the pair had admitted the offences to police following the White House murders and gone of their own volition, on their own, to speak to managers at the bank, which had decided not to press charges.  But Mr Turner said this year a manager at the bank, Mr Dovey had made a statement saying a policeman had come with the two girls to the bank to talk to them and help sort out the problem, suggesting they had sought to protect Miss Mugford's credit as a key witness.

He said an officer had rung beforehand to set up the appointment and to warn him they were coming but both women said in the statements at the time that they had gone to the bank on the off-chance and waited until the could see a manager.  He also heard Det Sgt Jones and another officer involved in looking after Miss Mugford and Miss Battersby had denied going with them to the bank.

Mr Turner said the notes the manager had made at the time had been destroyed due to a policy change at the bank but had the evidence been available to the defence at the time of the trial it would have given them an opportunity to look at the reliability of Julie Mugford as a witness.  "If we are right, the credit of Julie Mugford was all a trick and if Julie Mugford was lying in relation to this, and being supported in that lie by Det Sgt Jones, who was the officer who had had the most contact with her, could it really be said that that would not have had heavy implications on this trial," said Mr Turner.

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lawyers have discovered Mugford testified against him after police decided to drop investigations into criminal offences she had allegedly committed before the trial. Documents only recently disclosed to Bamber detail how Mugford was accused of burglary, smuggling cannabis into the UK from Canada and cheque fraud.

The Guardian has seen a letter from the then assistant director of public prosecutions (DPP) , John Walker, to the chief constable of Essex, which stated: "With considerable hesitation I would suggest that Mugford be advised she will not be prosecuted in respect of these matters – burglary, cheque fraud and cannabis offences. Thereafter she will be called as a witness against Bamber." Further documents relating to the dealings between the DPP and Mugford remain undisclosed under public interest immunity rules.







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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2025, 08:52:AM »
Doubt Julie knew anything about the caravan break in until Bamber drove her there and told her to be a look out.

Bamber didn't know it was going ahead until an unexpected opportunity arose a few hours earlier. After persuading Nevill to leave a larger than usual amount of money there.

He would have gone ahead with or without Julie.

Seems madness that Bamber would persuade Nevill to leave a large amount of cash only for hours later end up nicking it. Not exactly a criminal mastermind.
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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2025, 11:56:AM »
Seems madness that Bamber would persuade Nevill to leave a large amount of cash only for hours later end up nicking it. Not exactly a criminal mastermind.

Nevill must have left it in the office safe. Which only Bamber knew how to get into.
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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2025, 12:11:PM »
Plenty of things Nevill could do to get his money back.

Deduction of wages or annual leave. Unpaid overtime. Allocating harder tasks around the farm.

There would also be the threat of disinheritance if he walked away or did anything similar.
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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2025, 12:34:PM »
Doubt Julie knew anything about the caravan break in until Bamber drove her there and told her to be a look out.

Bamber didn't know it was going ahead until an unexpected opportunity arose a few hours earlier. After persuading Nevill to leave a larger than usual amount of money there.

He would have gone ahead with or without Julie.
Doesn't matter how you gloss over it Adam, she was an accessory to a Robbery in which Bamber was put on bail for, being an accessory is a serious offence, why wasn’t she put on bail? 

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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2025, 12:51:PM »
Doesn't matter how you gloss over it Adam, she was an accessory to a Robbery in which Bamber was put on bail for, being an accessory is a serious offence, why wasn’t she put on bail?

She told the police about it. Together with the massacre.

Doubt she was a look out for him. He probably told her to stay in the car. When he returned to the car he showed her a March 3.00am update - a wad of cash!
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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2025, 01:31:PM »
I think I can make my own mind up. I believe 100 per cent the bank manager was leaned on by the Police,   Mugford and Battersby did not set the meeting up, it was set up by the Police, purely and simply by Essex Police for Mugford to give evidence.

why would the Police not charge Mugford, it was a straight forward charge, easy prosecution, the witness admitted the offence’s,  she admitted to Burglary, to cheque book fraud, she admitted to selling and dealing in drugs, she admitted she new Bamber wanted to kill his family, she admitted she knew he had been involved  with the killing of his family, it was in return so Mugford could give evidence.  they needed Mugford as a witness and without a conviction to help her credibility on the stand.

When did Mugford Smuggle drugs into the UK from Canada, anyone know?  She must have admitted to doing this?


North Essex: Court to hear bank manager evidence

Lawyers arguing the case for Jeremy Bamber are hoping the appeal will hear fresh evidence from a bank manager today.  Yesterday the hearing in London into Bamber's conviction heard the fifth of 15 grounds, which Bamber's team of lawyers say will prove his conviction should be overturned.

Michael Turner QC, said a bank manager at what was then the Midland Bank had made a statement this year concerning Julie Mugford's involvement with cheque book fraud before the murders at White House Farm in 1985.  He said the original trial had heard Julie Mugford and one of her flatmates at the time, Susan Battersby, had admitted acting together in spending Miss Battersby's cheques after reporting them stolen to the bank.

The trial was told the pair had admitted the offences to police following the White House murders and gone of their own volition, on their own, to speak to managers at the bank, which had decided not to press charges.  But Mr Turner said this year a manager at the bank, Mr Dovey had made a statement saying a policeman had come with the two girls to the bank to talk to them and help sort out the problem, suggesting they had sought to protect Miss Mugford's credit as a key witness.

He said an officer had rung beforehand to set up the appointment and to warn him they were coming but both women said in the statements at the time that they had gone to the bank on the off-chance and waited until the could see a manager.  He also heard Det Sgt Jones and another officer involved in looking after Miss Mugford and Miss Battersby had denied going with them to the bank.

Mr Turner said the notes the manager had made at the time had been destroyed due to a policy change at the bank but had the evidence been available to the defence at the time of the trial it would have given them an opportunity to look at the reliability of Julie Mugford as a witness.  "If we are right, the credit of Julie Mugford was all a trick and if Julie Mugford was lying in relation to this, and being supported in that lie by Det Sgt Jones, who was the officer who had had the most contact with her, could it really be said that that would not have had heavy implications on this trial," said Mr Turner.

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lawyers have discovered Mugford testified against him after police decided to drop investigations into criminal offences she had allegedly committed before the trial. Documents only recently disclosed to Bamber detail how Mugford was accused of burglary, smuggling cannabis into the UK from Canada and cheque fraud.

The Guardian has seen a letter from the then assistant director of public prosecutions (DPP) , John Walker, to the chief constable of Essex, which stated: "With considerable hesitation I would suggest that Mugford be advised she will not be prosecuted in respect of these matters – burglary, cheque fraud and cannabis offences. Thereafter she will be called as a witness against Bamber." Further documents relating to the dealings between the DPP and Mugford remain undisclosed under public interest immunity rules.

The bank manager said he wasn't leaned on by the police.

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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2025, 03:52:PM »
You can read the short hand transcript here of Dovey at the appeal hearing.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9316.msg436121.html#msg436121

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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2025, 05:45:PM »
She told the police about it. Together with the massacre.

Doubt she was a look out for him. He probably told her to stay in the car. When he returned to the car he showed her a March 3.00am update - a wad of cash!
No, he never told her stay in the car, she went with him along the sea wall, she was an accomplice because she was with him and she knew he had done it, she was also an accomplice to the murders as well, she knew what he planned to do and she knew he had done it, both events she chose to keep quite.  That awful massacre of his family and those two little boys she identified, she knew her boyfriend was involved with their deaths and chose to cover up for him, only until he jilted her.
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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2025, 05:58:PM »
No, he never told her stay in the car, she went with him along the sea wall, she was an accomplice because she was with him and she knew he had done it, she was also an accomplice to the murders as well, she knew what he planned to do and she knew he had done it, both events she chose to keep quite.  That awful massacre of his family and those two little boys she identified, she knew her boyfriend was involved with their deaths and chose to cover up for him.

'Went with him along the Sea Wall'. Wow that is a trek of a few miles.

Why didn't he drive there?

Her stance has always been she didn't think he would commit the massacre. Which is understandable. 

She omitted things in her short 8/8/85 WS which were added in her long 8/9/85 WS.
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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2025, 06:22:PM »
Is there a source that they walked to rob the caravan site?

The 2020 drama has them in a car.
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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2025, 06:31:PM »
As the crow flies it is 1.4 miles from 9, Head Street to the caravan site. Via The Sea Wall will add on another mile.

If he was determined enough to walk 2.4 miles there & back for £1,000, cycling 4.2 miles for over £500,000 would not be a problem.

Walking The Sea Wall for £1,000 confirms the vision was good. It would have been better in August.
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« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2025, 06:35:PM »
'Went with him along the Sea Wall'. Wow that is a trek of a few miles.

Why didn't he drive there?

Her stance has always been she didn't think he would commit the massacre. Which is understandable. 

She omitted things in her short 8/8/85 WS which were added in her long 8/9/85 WS.
You've never been to Osea caravan park, there’s a car park and a sea wall, they more than likely parked in the car park with the intention of robbing the office and walked along the sea wall to the office where Julie kept guard for him.  He was asked by the Police, who was with him when he did the break in, he said Julie. 

  She told him she could understand him talking of killing his parents, but not the twins and Sheila.  So in her words it was understandable he killed his parents.

he stated that he would like to kill his parents. He also said that he would have to kill Sheila and the twins as well. I asked him why as I could understand him talking about his parents like that but not about Sheila and the twins. I asked him why kill Sheila and the twins as they had done nothing to him. He told me that he deserved everything and Sheila had done nothing on the farm so she didn’t deserve anything. He also said she was crazy and he would be putting her out of her misery and by killing the twins it would be doing them a favour as they would grow up disturbed because of the way they were being brought up.

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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2025, 06:36:PM »
'Went with him along the Sea Wall'. Wow that is a trek of a few miles.

Why didn't he drive there?

Her stance has always been she didn't think he would commit the massacre. Which is understandable. 

She omitted things in her short 8/8/85 WS which were added in her long 8/9/85 WS.
Osea has a sea wall, who said they walked from Goldhanger, it was just said they walked along the sea wall.

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Re: Allegedly biased summing up by the judge
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2025, 06:38:PM »
Is there a source that they walked to rob the caravan site?

The 2020 drama has them in a car.
They walked along the sea wall of Osea Caravan park.