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Re: Manchester synagogue attack
« Reply #90 on: October 05, 2025, 05:04:PM »
They will shoot even without a bomb vest or gun.  They are legally entitled to use lethal force to protect life.  Someone with a knife stabbing people is sufficient.  Tasers are used if there is no immediate threat to life but in this case that would not have been appropriate.
Thanks NGB

Going back to the Palestine action group arrests, I had it in my mind by refusing to cooperative with an arrest it can cause additional charges?  As you well know most are sat down, refusing to stand when arrested can go as resisting arrest and be a crime in itself?  So even if they are cleared of the crime, this negatively could go against them?

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« Reply #91 on: October 05, 2025, 05:26:PM »
Thanks NGB

Going back to the Palestine action group arrests, I had it in my mind by refusing to cooperative with an arrest it can cause additional charges?  As you well know most are sat down, refusing to stand when arrested can go as resisting arrest and be a crime in itself?  So even if they are cleared of the crime, this negatively could go against them?

They are being very careful because they have been well briefed.  They are not actively resisting arrest, such as by struggling or fighting.  They are being totally passive.  Their idea is to make the police top management realise that doing the Home Secretary's will in arresting them is going to take dispropotionate resources which could and should be allocated elsewhere.  It takes five police officers to arrest one person. Legally the police have operational independence.  A courageous Chief Constable or the Metropolitan Police Commissioner would stand up to the Home Secretary and say that unless there is disorder at a demonstration or incitement to violence the police will not make arrests.  That would make this ludicrous and oppressive law inoperable, which would be a good thing.


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« Reply #92 on: October 05, 2025, 05:47:PM »
My own personal opinion, the Police will put up more and more exclusion zone’s around our City’s to try to combat these Protests?
As part of the new crackdown ministers will amend Sections 12 and 14 of the Public Order Act 1986 to explicitly allow the police to take account of the cumulative impact of frequent protests on local areas.

The home secretary will also review existing legislation to ensure powers are both sufficient and being applied consistently by police forces – this will include powers to ban protests outright.

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« Reply #93 on: October 05, 2025, 05:59:PM »
As part of the new crackdown ministers will amend Sections 12 and 14 of the Public Order Act 1986 to explicitly allow the police to take account of the cumulative impact of frequent protests on local areas.

The home secretary will also review existing legislation to ensure powers are both sufficient and being applied consistently by police forces – this will include powers to ban protests outright.
I've no doubt there were many sincere people on the demonstration, but members of Palestine Action are troublemakers. https://youtu.be/veYSlGrm9o0

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« Reply #94 on: October 05, 2025, 06:22:PM »
I've no doubt there were many sincere people on the demonstration, but members of Palestine Action are troublemakers. https://youtu.be/veYSlGrm9o0
Well to be fair Steve, most holding signs were in their sixties and didn’t remotely look like terrorists?

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« Reply #95 on: October 05, 2025, 07:46:PM »
I hope they win their cases, but there is no certainty about that.  Sentences are likely to be lenient because those charged have not been violent or threatening and have not damaged anything.  They have not incited others to violence.  I suspect there may be fines or even conditional discharges.  A lot depends upon the individual magistrate or judge.   The courts will get clogged with these cases.  Part of the action is to persuade the police not to act.  The police have a discretion.  Most offences are effectively ignored.  A courageous Chief Constable or the Commissioner could say that resources are not going to be allocated to intervene in demonstrations which are not violent or threatening.
Looks like your right again NGB, I think they’ll go for the lesser section 13 charge to not clog up the Crown Courts,  section 13 charges are heard in the Magistrates Court?  Defend our Juries were hoping for the either way Section 12 to be heard in front of a jury?

Offences under "Section 13" vary greatly depending on the specific law, but commonly include wearing or displaying items of a proscribed organization in public (Terrorism Act 2000), prohibiting public processions (Public Order Act 1986), child sex offences by under-18s (Sexual Offences Act 2003), or dishonestly abstracting electricity (Theft Act 1968), so it is crucial to specify the correct Act of Parliament to identify the relevant offence.
Here are some examples of "offences under Section 13":
Terrorism Act 2000:
Wearing clothing or carrying articles in public that arouse suspicion of being a member or supporter of a proscribed organization, or publishing images of such items.
Maximum penalty: Six months imprisonment or a fine.




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Re: Manchester synagogue attack
« Reply #97 on: October 06, 2025, 07:36:PM »
here are the protester what evil people no wonder they want to ban https://youtu.be/eBsuJdtYGQY

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Re: Manchester synagogue attack
« Reply #98 on: October 08, 2025, 07:58:PM »

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Re: Manchester synagogue attack
« Reply #99 on: October 09, 2025, 08:20:AM »
Update: https://youtu.be/WllAnd3GEdM
Wonder what the Protesters will protest about now Steve….. It's been really an amazing period of time. So great for Israel, so great for Muslims and the Arab countries.

'You'll see people getting along and Gaza will be rebuilt.'

He continued: 'Gaza, we believe is going to be a much safer place and it's going to be a place that reconstructs and other countries in the area will help it reconstruct because they have tremendous amounts of wealth, and they want to see that happen.

'I'm very confident there'll be peace in the Middle East.'

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« Reply #100 on: October 10, 2025, 06:14:PM »
Wonder what the Protesters will protest about now Steve….. It's been really an amazing period of time. So great for Israel, so great for Muslims and the Arab countries.

'You'll see people getting along and Gaza will be rebuilt.'

He continued: 'Gaza, we believe is going to be a much safer place and it's going to be a place that reconstructs and other countries in the area will help it reconstruct because they have tremendous amounts of wealth, and they want to see that happen.

'I'm very confident there'll be peace in the Middle East.'
I doubt the peace plan with get past Stage 2. Check out Roch's new thread.

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Re: Manchester synagogue attack
« Reply #101 on: October 10, 2025, 06:40:PM »
i suspect this as well https://youtu.be/Zy5bH18pIwM