Israel are losing the war against Hamas

[Roch]

Israel are killing civilians, bombing tents and hospitals, and have shoot to kill zones. But there's virtually no footage of them killing Hamas fighters. But there is tonnes of footage of Hamas killing IDF. Hamas are still a potent fighting force.

[David1819]

Stop making an idiot out of yourself.

[Roch]

Stop making an idiot out of yourself.

Israel are losing the war against Hamas. Prove me wrong.

[Steve_uk]

Israel are losing the war against Hamas. Prove me wrong.

Hamas is using the civilian population as human shields, which in itself is despicable. Why won't Egypt take any civilians? Poland took nearly one million Ukrainians when Russia invaded.

[Roch]

Hamas is using the civilian population as human shields, which in itself is despicable. Why won't Egypt take any civilians? Poland took nearly one million Ukrainians when Russia invaded.

Hamas isn't using the civilian population as shields. This is a lie. Hamas is fighting a guerilla war from within tunnels and ruins. They are winning. Nobody is forcing Israel to destroy buildings and kill civilians. They are choosing to do it, in order to make the strip inhabitable for Palestinians.  Unless Israel change their tactics, they are unable to kill Hamas. Gaza has been turned into Stalingrad by the Israelis. The defenders are turning it into a graveyard for the IDF.

Eventually, Netenyahu will be destroyed by this. And the world will be rid of a truly evil being.

[ngb1066]

Hamas isn't using the civilian population as shields. This is a lie. Hamas is fighting a guerilla war from within tunnels and ruins. They are winning. Nobody is forcing Israel to destroy buildings and kill civilians. They are choosing to do it, in order to make the strip inhabitable for Palestinians.  Unless Israel change their tactics, they are unable to kill Hamas. Gaza has been turned into Stalingrad by the Israelis. The defenders are turning it into a graveyard for the IDF.

Eventually, Netenyahu will be destroyed by this. And the world will be rid of a truly evil being.

Well said Roch.

[Roch]

Well said Roch.

I can't see how Israel can win ngb. They would have to breach the tunnel system and use flamethrowers. It's too big a task. The IDF are exhausted. Some are committing suicide.

[gringo]

Israel are killing civilians, bombing tents and hospitals, and have shoot to kill zones. But there's virtually no footage of them killing Hamas fighters. But there is tonnes of footage of Hamas killing IDF. Hamas are still a potent fighting force.

     Israel can't win as you have said. They and their sponsors are losing all over the board and the massacres and destruction that they are inflicting on the powerless is a sign of their weakness, not any strength. The entire Empire structure is lashing out in a fit of pique at their waning strength and power. Their defeat is inevitable. NATO/US/IDF- none of them can any longer take on and defeat a "peer power".

[Steve_uk]

I can't see how Israel can win ngb. They would have to breach the tunnel system and use flamethrowers. It's too big a task. The IDF are exhausted. Some are committing suicide.

At least that's a tacit acknowledgement that Hamas planned the October 7 attack for years, probably since 2005 when Israel withdrew physically from the Gaza territory.

[Roch]

At least that's a tacit acknowledgement that Hamas planned the October 7 attack for years, probably since 2005 when Israel withdrew physically from the Gaza territory.

Israel have monitored Hamas using all kinds of tech, surveillance and informants.  I don't believe they didn't know that a plan was being made. Israel also has strategic buildings within neighborhoods, rendering the human shields argument null and void.  I watched a video of Israelis arguing on TV the other day. There was a rabid woman on, who I have seen going berserk in the parliament before. They were arguing about children aged 0-4 years being innocent and children 4 years plus not being innocent. They are nutcases Steve. They are completely detached from human norms.

[David1819]

Israel are losing the war against Hamas. Prove me wrong.

You are basing your claim on the fact there is not much footage of the IDF killing Hamas militants.

The IDF are a professional military. Name me one professional military that films its combat fatalities in large quantities and then uploads it social media? The US does not even release the Bin Laden raid body cam footage.

Hamas on the other hand relish such footage for propaganda. Hence you see it.

I have seen some footage of the IDF shooting dead Hamas militants but they were filmed by civilians recording whatever transpired while out of the line of fire.

 

[David1819]

Hamas isn't using the civilian population as shields. This is a lie.

In their own words.

“This attests to the character of our noble, jihad-loving people – who defend their rights and their homes with their bare chests and their blood. The policy of people confronting the Israeli warplanes with their bare chests in order to protect their homes has proven effective against the occupation… we in Hamas call upon our people to adopt this policy in order to protect the Palestinian homes.”

https://youtu.be/jbKcw6BkKEo?feature=shared&t=24

[Roch]

You are basing your claim on the fact there is not much footage of the IDF killing Hamas militants.

The IDF are a professional military. Name me one professional military that films its combat fatalities in large quantities and then uploads it social media? The US does not even release the Bin Laden raid body cam footage.

Hamas on the other hand relish such footage for propaganda. Hence you see it.

I have seen some footage of the IDF shooting dead Hamas militants but they were filmed by civilians recording whatever transpired while out of the line of fire.

The footage from the Palestinian fighters isn't propaganda. It's footage collected by a scattered guerilla force, using what they can, improvising etc. In one video they have even rigged up a car reverse parking camera to capture the footage. It's the shear amount of footage they have captured which indicates the IDF are paying a high price for Netenyahu, Smotric and the other lunatics running the country.

[Roch]

In their own words.

“This attests to the character of our noble, jihad-loving people – who defend their rights and their homes with their bare chests and their blood. The policy of people confronting the Israeli warplanes with their bare chests in order to protect their homes has proven effective against the occupation… we in Hamas call upon our people to adopt this policy in order to protect the Palestinian homes.”

https://youtu.be/jbKcw6BkKEo?feature=shared&t=24

Israel has placed strategic buildings amongst civilian areas. So the human shields argument is a bit rich. When Iran slapped Israel in June, some civilian areas were hit as a result of Israel's placement of such strategic buildings. 

[David1819]

The footage from the Palestinian fighters isn't propaganda. It's footage collected by a scattered guerilla force, using what they can, improvising etc. In one video they have even rigged up a car reverse parking camera to capture the footage. It's the shear amount of footage they have captured which indicates the IDF are paying a high price for Netenyahu, Smotric and the other lunatics running the country.

Its is propaganda hence they are going out their way to film it so they can upload it. A professional fighting force does not care or prioritise footage for social media.