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Re: Jeremy Bamber is defiant, and believes there's a " cover up "
« Reply #75 on: August 10, 2025, 05:38:PM »
Read the logs 'Numpty'. The operator was asked to check the line status several times. She was asked to let them know of any changes. She did. She told them the line was engaged after telling them previously on each occasion that it was 'off the hook'. For this to happen someone inside the house had to replace the receiver and then remove it and dial a number to set the line to engaged. So there was someone alive in the house when JB was outside with the police. I believe that was June. It was at this stage that the police told her to switch the call.
I do hope the Numpty epithet was not directed at me. You will be repaid in kind if so. As for the telephone dialling tone, are you quite sure that "engaged" and "off the hook" didn't produce the same sound?

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« Reply #76 on: August 10, 2025, 05:41:PM »
Woffinden says he disabled the phones upon entrance. By lifting the receiver off the kitchen phone.

It is a good job he did. Looks like June went to phone 999 on the phone next to Nevill.
If the telephone in the master bedroom was there why had it disappeared when the Raid Team entered?

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« Reply #77 on: August 10, 2025, 06:19:PM »
If the telephone in the master bedroom was there why had it disappeared when the Raid Team entered?

Because Bamber had put it in the kitchen and taken it off the hook.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #78 on: August 10, 2025, 06:20:PM »
Me personally, I believe he would have just gone straight on the attack as soon as he entered the farmhouse.

The phone off the cradle in the kitchen with Nevill in the kitchen supports his " call from my dad " scenario. He did this after all were deceased.

Agree with that. Taking the kitchen phone off the hook would only take a few seconds.
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« Reply #79 on: August 10, 2025, 06:26:PM »
Because Bamber had put it in the kitchen and taken it off the hook.
No, I think Bubo is alleging the telephone was there all Tuesday night.

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« Reply #80 on: August 10, 2025, 06:41:PM »
No, I think Bubo is alleging the telephone was there all Tuesday night.

Why do you think June crawled to where the bedroom phone would be?
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« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2025, 06:44:PM »
Why do you think June crawled to where the bedroom phone would be?
I don't know. Maybe she was looking for an exit. She was found slumped by the door.

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« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2025, 01:35:PM »
It's not a crackpot theory if it happened.


On the 07/09/85 JM came forward after RB had his meeting with PS on the 06/09/85

This triggered EP to look in more detail at JB as the perpetrator. On the 17/09/85 JB was quizzed by Taff and RBJ about a problem/conundrum involving the rounds fired and the bullets left loose on the kitchen work top. (Action 116 see RBJ in archive).

This was not resolved because JB did not know or remember how many bullets were present in the magazine when he filled it prior to going out to shoot rabbits. Nor did he know whether the box he used was a full 50 rounds. Largely because the previous week he had a target shooting  practice with AP.

From a previous Bubo bubo post


“I think the origin for this discussion was whether the CT had their numbers right in claiming there were 30 shots fired. I say this is unresolvable with the information we have to hand. Such as it is we do not and cannot know how many rounds were in the mag to start with nor do we know that all the boxes were full. JB and AP had a shooting session the previous weekend and we cannot know if AP kept ammunition at WHF along with his other equipment or whether there were any loose rounds that were stored out of a box, say dropped into a bag.  We cannot know if any of the many people who traipsed through the building took rounds as souvenirs".

"If they have evidence that there were 30 shots fired it will be up to them to make the case as they see fit. There is no obligation on their part to satisfy our curiosity”.



On the 20/09/85 MF received DRH22 which was 29 bullets which he recorded on a GER.
However, in his statement dated 13/11/85 he now says he received 30 rounds. Page 6

I believe this is because EP used 1 of the thirty on the work top to replace the cartridge fired by the TFG in June. I have posted extensively on this issue. They say they found the last cartridge on the 09/08/85 next to the wardrobe. It is possible that this cartridge case was obtained by a test fire to produce a replacement cartridge case.

This was, in my opinion part of the original cover up. And this led to the evidence which was used when EP framed JB. They had to ensure that the numbers agreed. MF’s statement as we have come to expect was unsigned.

What is more disturbing is that to further their malfeasance they say that the total unspent rounds were made up of two submissions. Lab items numbers 93 and 51. Lab items are numbered as they are received. So, one would expect that they would send all the unspent rounds as one item and this means that the item 51 was sent before the main batch of unspent rounds. One of the rounds was still in the holding tray which sits inside the box However, this has been changed in his statement. Item 51 was originally

A red fibre found on SC’s nightdress

To add more to this manipulation item 50 was a red fibre found on the silencer.

To my knowledge I have never seen this used as a part of the prosecution’s evidence to advance the suggestion, that SC was shot by JB with the SM in place. Nor have any guilt supporters used this in SM discussions.




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« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2025, 05:45:PM »
How curious! If we return to reply 57, we can clearly see that the Booby dismisses as "bordering on stupid" the suggestion that there was no telephone in the master bedroom on the night of the massacre. He/she/they then goes on to refer to another poster as "Numpty" whilst suggesting posters refer to the numerous links provided. Sadly, all such are merely references to his/her/their own posts. However, since then he/she/they seem to have come round to the acceptance of there being no phone in the master bedroom/ Convinced, perhaps by the unanimous belief of fellow posters of its absence?

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« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2025, 06:17:PM »
How curious! If we return to reply 57, we can clearly see that the Booby dismisses as "bordering on stupid" the suggestion that there was no telephone in the master bedroom on the night of the massacre. He/she/they then goes on to refer to another poster as "Numpty" whilst suggesting posters refer to the numerous links provided. Sadly, all such are merely references to his/her/their own posts. However, since then he/she/they seem to have come round to the acceptance of there being no phone in the master bedroom/ Convinced, perhaps by the unanimous belief of fellow posters of its absence?

The tension is simmering again. I wish you would both get that date sorted!

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« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2025, 06:34:PM »
The tension is simmering again. I wish you would both get that date sorted!

I have her on ignore. She just cannot get to grips with the evidence. Its all touchy feely stuff reminiscent of  an old lady who is more interested in a form of baseless tea shop gossip. Unfortunately if I am not logged in I see this meaningless twaddle and try to get her to engage. Her approach is 'Don't confuse me with the facts'

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« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2025, 07:14:PM »
I have her on ignore. She just cannot get to grips with the evidence. Its all touchy feely stuff reminiscent of  an old lady who is more interested in a form of baseless tea shop gossip. Unfortunately if I am not logged in I see this meaningless twaddle and try to get her to engage. Her approach is 'Don't confuse me with the facts'


Ha! Says the Booby who makes up 'facts' as he/she they go! Hell! Why let the truth stand in the way of a good yarn, eh, especially when it's one of his/her/their own making! Barbara Cartland fans need not worry. She always made sure her facts were right :))

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« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2025, 08:07:PM »

Ha! Says the Booby who makes up 'facts' as he/she they go! Hell! Why let the truth stand in the way of a good yarn, eh, especially when it's one of his/her/their own making! Barbara Cartland fans need not worry. She always made sure her facts were right :))

If he hasn't booked you a table at Claridges, you may need to make the first move.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber is defiant, and believes there's a " cover up "
« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2025, 08:23:PM »
If he hasn't booked you a table at Claridges, you may need to make the first move.

Closest I ever got to Claridges is going to watch him play for Millwall with a girl I was seeing at the time circa 2001  ;D
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« Reply #89 on: August 12, 2025, 08:36:PM »
Closest I ever got to Claridges is going to watch him play for Millwall with a girl I was seeing at the time circa 2001  ;D

Had forgot about him. Was he Leicester City?