Article about recent decision

[snow66!]

Good points. Why was the bedroom phone in the kitchen? Why was the usual more modern phone found weeks later in a pile of magazines and papers? Here is a thought. The police had to distance June from the 999 call. If there was no phone in the bedroom how could she make the call.

I am looking forward to hear what she has to say.

Wasn't there problems with the phones , Bubo,shortly before the shooting? Wasn't there an electrical storm that caused damage too?
I think it was claimed that Ainsley used the mobile phone with the last number function and then put it on a shelf in the upstairs office if I recall correctly. Haven't looked at the phones issue for a while.
But your right, a phone was found under a pile of magazines in the kitchen and JB was later accused of hiding it.
It was the phone issue that changed Bob Woofindons mind about JBs innocence remember.

[BarefootDanC]

Hmmmm

Yes, that's what it says in the logs and the Campaign Team seize on this in a naive way. It say "engaged" in the logs because there was an engaged tone, but the phone was off the hook.

The Campaign Team would have us believe that Nevill / Sheila made more calls than Alexander Bell.

[BarefootDanC]

That list looks subjective. Baird has pointed out an unwillingness for the CCRC to challenge the COA.

It is this criteria which the Court of Appeal consider every time they look at a case, so there is a great deal of case law.

As has already been mentioned, the list is not exhaustive, so if a piece of new evidence is compelling, it would be "in the interests of justice" for it to be admitted, even if it didn't meet some of the other criteria.

[Jane]

The phone in the kitchen was the bedroom phone. The usual kitchen phone was more modern and had the ability to display the last number dialled. This was missing but found some weeks later within a stack of papers and magazines in a part of the kitchen furniture?

The main bedroom window was open at the top so in theory this could explain the challenges which were heard.

Hang on! Itt was only yesterday you were saying that June was trying to get to the phone! Did you, perhaps, mean she was trying to get downstairs? It seems odd for her to have got out of bed and walked round it to get to a phone when all she had to do was lean over!

[Hardy Boy]

The phone in the kitchen was the bedroom phone. The usual kitchen phone was more modern and had the ability to display the last number dialled. This was missing but found some weeks later within a stack of papers and magazines in a part of the kitchen furniture?

The main bedroom window was open at the top so in theory this could explain the challenges which were heard.

I know which phones was swapped, I’m waiting to see how you explained  the phones being swapped. Are you suggesting the police moved the phones to distance June making a 999 call?

[Hardy Boy]

They were only too happy by the way it was played in the first instance. If as I have come to think the TFG dropped a clanger in the course of the raid. They would be glad that the decision to cover it up had been authorised. Nevertheless they could have initially been briefed that there was at least one person alive. Given the nature of the incident it is not too hard to imagine a catastrophic accident whilst trying their best to deal with a difficult task and no doubt despite rigorous training. This could have been their first such incident. It would have taken seconds.

Glad that they covered up the fact someone had made a 999 call from within the house, who Authorised the cover up?

[Hardy Boy]

Good points. Why was the bedroom phone in the kitchen? Why was the usual more modern phone found weeks later in a pile of magazines and papers? Here is a thought. The police had to distance June from the 999 call. If there was no phone in the bedroom how could she make the call.

I am looking forward to hear what she has to say.

Bamber told Jean that the Kitchen phone had gone wrong and the bedroom phone had been brought down to replace it? 

[Bubo bubo]

Glad that they covered up the fact someone had made a 999 call from within the house, who Authorised the cover up?

I believe it was ACC PS gave the order when he was called by C Sup G A Harris. He was head of Chelmsford division. The SOC was tailor made to allow this. Locked house, no living witnesses. They could recreate the SOC for 4 murders and a suicide.

[Bubo bubo]

Bamber told Jean that the Kitchen phone had gone wrong and the bedroom phone had been brought down to replace it?

The family were in the habit of moving the phones around. The kitchen phone was a cordless job which Pike removed on 05/08/85. JB did not live at WHF and may have thought she was talking about the cordless phone which he would think had disappeared. June did not like it and preferred the dial phone.

According to BR SBJ said he would not use the kitchen phone due to the state of the kitchen. It is possible that the fawn phone was used to replace the cordless phone so the bedroom phone could be used as intended.
The bedroom phone could have been used as a stop gap until the fawn phone was used. JB might have been unaware of what had been happening with the phones in detail, after all Pike's visit was two days before the tragedy.

[Bubo bubo]

I know which phones was swapped, I’m waiting to see how you explained  the phones being swapped. Are you suggesting the police moved the phones to distance June making a 999 call?

Why and who would hide the fawn phone if it was in working order? Yes I believe it possible that EP hid the fawn phone and substituted it with the bedroom phone to distance June making a 999 call.

It all rests on the outcome of the Heidi Blake report and her recording of the Milband interview.

[Bubo bubo]

Wasn't there problems with the phones , Bubo,shortly before the shooting? Wasn't there an electrical storm that caused damage too?
I think it was claimed that Ainsley used the mobile phone with the last number function and then put it on a shelf in the upstairs office if I recall correctly. Haven't looked at the phones issue for a while.
But your right, a phone was found under a pile of magazines in the kitchen and JB was later accused of hiding it.
It was the phone issue that changed Bob Woofindons mind about JBs innocence remember.

You are correct there had been a problem with the phones following a storm. It was not Ainsley. He was not involved in the investigation till later. It was the blue phone which was used in the upstairs office. I confess not to have addresed this particular issue in detail but will see what I can find.

With all the planning JB is charged with regarding his so called 'perfect crime' what possible reason would hiding a phone form part of his plan. It would serve no purpose and just waste precious time.

[Jane]

You are correct there had been a problem with the phones following a storm. It was not Ainsley. He was not involved in the investigation till later. It was the blue phone which was used in the upstairs office. I confess not to have addresed this particular issue in detail but will see what I can find.

With all the planning JB is charged with regarding his so called 'perfect crime' what possible reason would hiding a phone form part of his plan. It would serve no purpose and just waste precious time.

But EP, who knew even less about the family phones, could  monkey about with them "to distance June from making a 999 call"!!!!!  Sounds like they're the ones who had it planned!

[Hardy Boy]

Why and who would hide the fawn phone if it was in working order? Yes I believe it possible that EP hid the fawn phone and substituted it with the bedroom phone to distance June making a 999 call.

It all rests on the outcome of the Heidi Blake report and her recording of the Milband interview.

Well Bamber told Jean that the bedroom phone had been brought down to replace the Kitchen phone because it wasn’t working.  So Bamber knew that the Bedroom phone was in the Kitchen,  and it wasn’t replaced by EP.

[Hardy Boy]

You are correct there had been a problem with the phones following a storm. It was not Ainsley. He was not involved in the investigation till later. It was the blue phone which was used in the upstairs office. I confess not to have addresed this particular issue in detail but will see what I can find.

With all the planning JB is charged with regarding his so called 'perfect crime' what possible reason would hiding a phone form part of his plan. It would serve no purpose and just waste precious time.

He removed the phone to prevent his parents using it if they heard him entering through the downstairs window.  He probably was thinking of putting it back, but changed his mind when Neville made it downstairs and into the Kitchen, that’s why he left the Kitchen phone off the hook making it look like Neville used this one instead.  Your theory that the Police moved the phone is a non starter, Bamber told Jean the Bedroom phone had been brought down to replace the Kitchen phone because it wasn’t working.

[Bubo bubo]

He removed the phone to prevent his parents using it if they heard him entering through the downstairs window.  He probably had every intention of putting it back, but changed his mind when Neville made it downstairs and into the Kitchen, that’s why he left the Kitchen phone off the hook making it look like Neville used this one instead.  Your theory that the Police moved the phone is a non starter, Bamber told Jean the Bedroom phone had been brought down to replace the Kitchen phone because it wasn’t working.

That does not work. If he disconnected the fawn kitchen phone he would close the line that the GPO were going to be monitoring at some time. Since this was the connection to the master socket no phones in the property would work and if there was no handset there would not be anything to hear when they checked the line. Your theory does not explain who moved it after JB had left it off the hook.

I think Jean turned against JB at some point. There has been much discussion about how things in the kitchen looked different to her based on her memory.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12489.msg577675.html#msg577675

I think she is an unreliable witness and her memory of events is questionable.

This is from the CT website.

that Jeremy lied about the spare telephone being broken when he actually just said it was a spare and the testimony of Jean Boutell illustrates this