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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2025, 04:41:PM »
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.msg56494.html#msg56494

Reply 35 shows where the sink tidy should be - to the right of the taps. With plates, cutlery, cups inside.

It also shows where Bamber put it after emptying it - on it's side to the left of the taps. 

This was to give him ease of exit out of the kitchen window.
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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2025, 04:41:PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.0.html

For me the interesting thing here is the forensic evidence.  Movement of 4 items around the sink and kitchen window -

Plastic Sink Tidy.

Washing up bottle.

Sponge.

A ball of string.

The crime scene photos of the sink and window items do not correlate with Jean Boutells description, hence she was looking at items that were moved after August 7th.

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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2025, 04:52:PM »
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.msg56494.html#msg56494

Reply 35 shows where the sink tidy should be - to the right of the taps. With plates, cutlery, cups inside.

It also shows where Bamber put it after emptying it - on it's side to the left of the taps.

They could have been moved at any point, doesn't mean they were moved prior to the arrival of the police.

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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2025, 04:55:PM »
Anybody could easily manoeuvre themselves out of the window with out a plastic sink tidy causing them an issue.

Didn't even have to move it.
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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2025, 05:00:PM »
Anybody could easily manoeuvre themselves out of the window with out a plastic sink tidy causing them an issue.

Didn't even have to move it.

Moving of the sink tidy and the 3 other fixed items made his exit easier.

To be fair he would not be expecting Jean Bouttell ever to be in court doing him no favours.
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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2025, 07:30:PM »
Best to air dry.  Tea towels and dish cloths are a breeding ground for bacteria. 

Thought there was a dishwasher?

What's the item in the image if not a dishwasher?
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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2025, 07:46:PM »
What's the item in the image if not a dishwasher?

What's a dishwasher got to do with anything?

The items in the sink tidy, the sink tidy itself together with 3 other items were moved to give Bamber an easy kitchen window exit.

Verified by Jean Bouttell.
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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2025, 08:09:PM »
What's a dishwasher got to do with anything?

The items in the sink tidy, the sink tidy itself together with 3 other items were moved to give Bamber an easy kitchen window exit.

Verified by Jean Bouttell.

They are not fixtures and fittings!  More than likely whoever opened the window moved them BEFORE soc images were taken.  In any event SC was a guest and may have cleaned and tidied up.  And before you say she was too exhausted the police who broke into her flat commented on how clean and tidy it was. 
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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2025, 11:58:AM »
They are not fixtures and fittings!  More than likely whoever opened the window moved them BEFORE soc images were taken.  In any event SC was a guest and may have cleaned and tidied up.  And before you say she was too exhausted the police who broke into her flat commented on how clean and tidy it was.

How is Bamber supposed to get on the area next to the taps if the sink tidy & plates are covering that area?

He needed to get there to exit the window.
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2025, 11:59:AM »
Both sides have to go by the WS & court testimony of Jean Bouttell -

20 years.

Never seen the 4 items anywhere else.
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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2025, 06:48:PM »
Both sides have to go by the WS & court testimony of Jean Bouttell -

20 years.

Never seen the 4 items anywhere else.

They have never had that many police roaming around the house before.

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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2025, 06:57:PM »
How is Bamber supposed to get on the area next to the taps if the sink tidy & plates are covering that area?


Very easily.

A plastic sink tidy is not an issue.

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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2025, 07:05:PM »
They have never had that many police roaming around the house before.

Please provide the WS of a police officer who said he moved 4 items in order to open a window.

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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2025, 07:09:PM »
Very easily.

A plastic sink tidy is not an issue.

Please expand.

I would not be able to stand on my sink tidy.
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Re: Jean Bouttell WS
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2025, 08:05:PM »
Please expand.

I would not be able to stand on my sink tidy.

He wouldn't stand on a sink tidy.
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