Article about recent decision

[snow66!]

My late partner was called as an expert witness on numerous occasions. He would leave home eager and excited, only to return, disappointed that he hadn't been used. As soon as the other side got wind of his presence, they settled out of court!

Ha ha! Well JB is hardly getting the option to settle out of court, Jane.
Its all or nothing in his case!

[snow66!]

Well, he sure as hell didn't put himself in that position. You don't believe either JB or the police did. So tell us who you believe did.

Sheila, by fracturing his skull with the rifle, Jane! You should know my scenario off by heart by this stage!

[Jane]

Sheila, by fracturing his skull with the rifle, Jane! You should know my scenario off by heart by this stage!

Just trying to get my head round your claim that Sheila, shaped like a model and size 8 to 10, managed to have a 6'4" make from floor to upturned chair, that's all.

[snow66!]

Even if it proved what Boyce claims how does it exonerate JB?   It doesn't.  How does it meet the CPS criteria for an appeal hearing?  It doesn't and the CCRC will not waste resources.

The marks on NB's back were not even used at trial by either the defence or prosecution since neither pathologist was able to say conclusively what they were, how they were caused and when etc.  The marks on NB's back could not have formed any part of jurors' decisions.

'Hearing new evidence' needs to be based on something highly pertinent to the trial which had jurors understood at the time might well have altered their decision/verdict.

Well obviously I disagree, Cutie. I think the Aga evidence is indeed new and if given to the CCRC with the correct scenario should have gained JB a refferal.
But if the CT have paired the Aga evidence up with the integrity of the scene, ie, the police moving Nevills body, all that they have achieved is the 'baby being thrown out with the dish water'! Madness!!
The Aga evidence is plain and simple, it is there for all to see and doesn't rely on any conspiracy theory.
All the CT had to do was prove the Aga theory and an innocence JB scenario would follow, it would mean the burns happened much earlier and also meant the killer was in the Whitehouse for a considerable amount of time, probably several hours according to the Boyce experiments, surely this would rule out JB?
Yes, plain and simple, Cutie, far easier to prove than trying to discredit the backspatter evidence if you ask me, girl!
But!!!! By the sound of things, JB and the CT may have blown it for the time being, re-Aga burns!

[snow66!]

Just trying to get my head round your claim that Sheila, shaped like a model and size 8 to 10, managed to have a 6'4" make from floor to upturned chair, that's all.

What? Floor to upturned chair, Jane??
No,no,no,no,no, Jane!!!!!
Nevill got up from the Aga HIMSELF before being shot and ending up on the chair/scuttle! No help from Sheila needed!
I'm beginning to think no one reads my posts at all!!!

[Hardy Boy]

I'm beginning to think no one reads my posts at all!!!

Thats not true Snow, I caught someone last year reading one of your posts.

[Bubo bubo]

My guess, looking at the ground floor plans, anyone using the telephone would have been seen by the raid team on the white side of the house, the same team positioned 30m away using the loud hailer trying to make contact.  The telephone is on the sideboard next to the sink where the window was.  It would have been virtually impossible to miss movement across the window especially if the kitchen light was on?

I think you are wrong. The raid team sent one  of the team to look in the kitchen window. This was long after the 999 call had been made. It is also possible that June made the 999 call from the bedroom.

[snow66!]

Thats not true Snow, I caught someone last year reading one of your posts.

Phew! That'll learn Jane, HB!

[Jane]

What? Floor to upturned chair, Jane??
No,no,no,no,no, Jane!!!!!
Nevill got up from the Aga HIMSELF before being shot and ending up on the chair/scuttle! No help from Sheila needed!
I'm beginning to think no one reads my posts at all!!!

Well, can you please explain how he got himself up, grabbed hold of the arms or back of the chair he was facing, to steady himself? -presumably his weight causing it to tip either backwards or forwards- without falling face forward and the chair ending up on top of him, as opposed to him ending up on the chair, facing in the opposite direction. Take your time. 'We' can wait!

[Jane]

I think you are wrong. The raid team sent one  of the team to look in the kitchen window. This was long after the 999 call had been made. It is also possible that June made the 999 call from the bedroom.

We've been told that the bedroom phone had been disconnected.

[Hardy Boy]

I think you are wrong. The raid team sent one  of the team to look in the kitchen window. This was long after the 999 call had been made. It is also possible that June made the 999 call from the bedroom.

Which bedroom?  The Kitchen would have been watched from 30m away by the raid team, any movement in the kitchen would have been spotted.

[Bubo bubo]

If Sheila required assistance, all she had to do was walk outside or shout out to the police outside. Adams states challenges went on for a while with no response.  They used a loud hailer and tried for about 2 hours to make contact, they were standing about 30 metres  away at this time, all they heard was the sound of a dog barking. If the line was being monitored, wouldn’t WHF phone  have to be placed back on the cradle and left for 2 minutes to clear the lines again to make another call out?

Quote from: Hardy Boy on Today at 11:42 AM
If Sheila required assistance, all she had to do was walk outside or shout out to the police outside. Adams states challenges went on for a while with no response.  They used a loud hailer and tried for about 2 hours to make contact, they were standing about 30 metres  away at this time, all they heard was the sound of a dog barking.  If the line was being monitored, wouldn’t WHF phone  have to be placed back on the cradle and left for 2 minutes to clear the lines again to make another call out?

Excellent point.  No matter how compelling the evidence to show there was no 999 call from WHF it will not stop some.

HB is wrong again. The situation of a 2 minute reset wait applied when the person you called did not replace the receiver correctly. (Old Dowager system). This was because phones would be unusable to the original caller until the receiver was replaced. This was overcome by the timed reset This situation did not apply for the 999 call. As soon as the receiver was replaced the line would be able to take or make another incoming or outgoing call. Until it was replaced the phone would emit the howler noise alerting the user to the fact that the receiver had not been replaced.

[Bubo bubo]

Which bedroom?  The Kitchen would have been watched from 30m away by the raid team, any movement in the kitchen would have been spotted.

The main bedroom. They would have needed a periscope

[Cambridgecutie]

I think you are wrong. The raid team sent one  of the team to look in the kitchen window. This was long after the 999 call had been made. It is also possible that June made the 999 call from the bedroom.

On what?  This just sums you up.  Everyone has a bad day, but really...  You, and others like you, do JB a massive disservice. 

[Hardy Boy]

Quote from: Hardy Boy on Today at 11:42 AM
If Sheila required assistance, all she had to do was walk outside or shout out to the police outside. Adams states challenges went on for a while with no response.  They used a loud hailer and tried for about 2 hours to make contact, they were standing about 30 metres  away at this time, all they heard was the sound of a dog barking.  If the line was being monitored, wouldn’t WHF phone  have to be placed back on the cradle and left for 2 minutes to clear the lines again to make another call out?

Excellent point.  No matter how compelling the evidence to show there was no 999 call from WHF it will not stop some.

HB is wrong again. The situation of a 2 minute reset wait applied when the person you called did not replace the receiver correctly. (Old Dowager system). This was because phones would be unusable to the original caller until the receiver was replaced. This was overcome by the timed reset This situation did not apply for the 999 call. As soon as the receiver was replaced the line would be able to take another outgoing call. Until it was replaced the phone would emit the howler noise alerting the user to the fact that the receiver had not been replaced.

I thought if the telephone exchange was connected to monitor the line, it would still be the same and it would need the 2 mins to clear that’s all, I did put it as a a question by saying WOULDN’T.  So HB is not wrong at all, he’s asking?   So if the telephone exchange was connected woukd they need to some how disconnect?