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Re: CCRC decision
« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2025, 10:38:AM »
Clearly he is, otherwise you wouldn't be fighting his case.

But JB case aside.. any innocent person that is turned down by the CCRC, prevented from accessing evidence by the CPS, police or courts, is a failure for the justice system, regardless of developments in DNA testing.

You seem to think it makes more sense to spend millions on incarcerating someone, until DNA eventually proves them innocent.

Whereas people with common sense want the innocence found earlier - by proper investigation, the use of powers, and a very searching attitude towards the prosecution agencies involved in the conviction.  We don't want someone aged 99 getting acquitted through DNA after spending 50 years in prison.
I think the CCRC have somewhere in the region of 1600 cases to study each year, with a staff of 113 and only 50 case reviewers,  imagine getting the number of grounds that Bamber put forward on each case and the level and depth of investigation required to each ground, 
 The work alone needed to do an in depth investigation for the Boyce AGA theory Roch  would take ages, and prove nothing and that’s is just Bamber’s case, each applicant would expect the same in depth approach. 

I honestly don’t know the answer Roch, but money and time is a very big problem in my opinion.

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Re: CCRC decision
« Reply #76 on: July 03, 2025, 11:02:AM »
Nothing he has put forward renders the verdict unsafe.
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Re: CCRC decision
« Reply #77 on: July 03, 2025, 11:03:AM »
Expecting to be home for Christmas based on a judicial review.

Maybe this time despondency may hit him like a thunderbolt.
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Re: CCRC decision
« Reply #78 on: July 03, 2025, 11:49:AM »
Clearly he is, otherwise you wouldn't be fighting his case.

But JB case aside.. any innocent person that is turned down by the CCRC, prevented from accessing evidence by the CPS, police or courts, is a failure for the justice system, regardless of developments in DNA testing.

You seem to think it makes more sense to spend millions on incarcerating someone, until DNA eventually proves them innocent.

Whereas people with common sense want the innocence found earlier - by proper investigation, the use of powers, and a very searching attitude towards the prosecution agencies involved in the conviction.  We don't want someone aged 99 getting acquitted through DNA after spending 50 years in prison.

I've only read the first sentence of your post.  Have I been involved in any shape or form with any CCRC submission?
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« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2025, 12:12:PM »
It says the PSOR is 101 pages. Which is 25 pages per ground. So sounds comprehensive.

But appreciate the CT will say it isn't.
Whats the PSOR, Adam?

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« Reply #80 on: July 03, 2025, 12:18:PM »
May be they should have listened to your Theory Snow, Sheila knocked Neville out cold for three hours and he fell beside the AGA, causing the three burn marks. If only?
Yes, in all honesty, I truly believe they should have gone down this route instead of claiming the police moved Nevill, HB! I jest you not!

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Re: CCRC decision
« Reply #81 on: July 03, 2025, 12:30:PM »
I've only read the first sentence of your post.  Have I been involved in any shape or form with any CCRC submission?

I can't be bothered to deal with posters who display this attitude. You can chose to not read the rest but everyone else on here will probably read it, so I don't care if you don't.

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« Reply #82 on: July 03, 2025, 12:40:PM »
Maybe this time despondency may hit him like a thunderbolt.

Maybe.  Coupled with the 40th anniversay and 40 years imprisonment.  One door closes another opens.  Every cloud has a silver lining.

40 years ago I was on an 18 - 30's holiday in Tenerife with 5 female friends.  Tonight 3 of us are going to see Simple Minds live  :)

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Re: CCRC decision
« Reply #83 on: July 03, 2025, 12:40:PM »
I can't be bothered to deal with posters who display this attitude. You can chose to not read the rest but everyone else on here will probably read it, so I don't care if you don't.

Suit yourself  :)
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Re: CCRC decision
« Reply #84 on: July 03, 2025, 12:53:PM »
Suit yourself  :)

All your posts on the subject prove that you still after all this time, not taken on board the scathing criticisms over the past two years. You are oblivious to the content. So I can't take your views on this matter seriously.

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« Reply #85 on: July 03, 2025, 01:06:PM »
All your posts on the subject prove that you still after all this time, not taken on board the scathing criticisms over the past two years. You are oblivious to the content. So I can't take your views on this matter seriously.
Shouldn't the Newyorker have sent the audio recording of Milbank to the CCRC, Roch?
Aren't they a bit late releasing it now?

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« Reply #86 on: July 03, 2025, 01:23:PM »
All your posts on the subject prove that you still after all this time, not taken on board the scathing criticisms over the past two years. You are oblivious to the content. So I can't take your views on this matter seriously.

JackieD says she finds you irritating.  Just sayin like  :P

The fact the CCRC has demonstrated a high level of ineptitude with a number of submissions does not make it so with all submissions including JB's 2001 submission. 

You could argue the CCRC should have explored the reason(s) it was unlikely SC's LCN DNA was in the silencer following the tests for the 2002 appeal.  Instead the CoA/CCRC was able to get round this by saying the blood was all swabbed away for the 1985/6 tests. 


Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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Re: CCRC decision
« Reply #87 on: July 03, 2025, 01:29:PM »
JackieD says she finds you irritating.  Just sayin like  :P

The fact the CCRC has demonstrated a high level of ineptitude with a number of submissions does not make it so with all submissions including JB's 2001 submission. 

You could argue the CCRC should have explored the reason(s) it was unlikely SC's LCN DNA was in the silencer following the tests for the 2002 appeal.  Instead the CoA/CCRC was able to get round this by saying the blood was all swabbed away for the 1985/6 tests.

It was the Court of Appeal which made that ruling following Mark Webster's expert opinion. Mark Webster was actually the defence expert!

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« Reply #88 on: July 03, 2025, 02:00:PM »
It was the Court of Appeal which made that ruling following Mark Webster's expert opinion. Mark Webster was actually the defence expert!

Yes I appreciate this but think the whole LCN DNA evidence raised more questions than answers.  If Roch criticised the CCRC for being toothless in this regard I could understand it but complaining about a submission that was on a hiding to nothing and then bleating about it is, as JackieD said, intensely irritating. 

MW wanted to undertake actual testing but the CoA judges were having none of it. 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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Re: CCRC decision
« Reply #89 on: July 03, 2025, 04:51:PM »
JackieD says she finds you irritating.  Just sayin like  :P

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