Did Jeremy have a reason to put the silencer back into the gun cupboard?

[Hardy Boy]

You'd wriggle your way out of jail if you got the chance.  Unlike Jeremy Bamber.

She has a habit of doing it.

[Hardy Boy]

Am I right in saying the rifle Ammo/ bullets we’re covered with bees wax NGB?  Was this to make it easy to load into the Mag as well as travelling down the rifle on exit?  I read where gun enthusiasts have a rag on hand to remove this oil/ wax from their hands after reloading? 

If a person wasn’t wearing gloves and had this wax/oil on their hand, would the wax have shown more on handling the rifle, especially fingerprints etc? Would it also make the bullets a bit more cumbersome for someone not used to firing/loading a Mag?  Of course I could be completely wrong, but would appreciate your thoughts NGB.

[David1819]

She has a habit of doing it.

I hear she threatened to steal your bike?

I have no doubt what she would have bought with the proceeds.

[Cambridgecutie]

Am I right in saying the rifle Ammo/ bullets we’re covered with bees wax NGB?  Was this to make it easy to load into the Mag as well as travelling down the rifle on exit?  I read where gun enthusiasts have a rag on hand to remove this oil/ wax from their hands after reloading? 

If a person wasn’t wearing gloves and had this wax/oil on their hand, would the wax have shown more on handling the rifle, especially fingerprints etc? Would it also make the bullets a bit more cumbersome for someone not used to firing/loading a Mag?  Of course I could be completely wrong, but would appreciate your thoughts NGB.

Technical data:

https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/

It can be shown MF's trial testimony is a crock of shite.

[Cambridgecutie]

I hear she threatened to steal your bike?

I have no doubt what she would have bought with the proceeds.

Nothing given I said I would nick it to hide it.

[ngb1066]

Am I right in saying the rifle Ammo/ bullets we’re covered with bees wax NGB?  Was this to make it easy to load into the Mag as well as travelling down the rifle on exit?  I read where gun enthusiasts have a rag on hand to remove this oil/ wax from their hands after reloading? 

If a person wasn’t wearing gloves and had this wax/oil on their hand, would the wax have shown more on handling the rifle, especially fingerprints etc? Would it also make the bullets a bit more cumbersome for someone not used to firing/loading a Mag?  Of course I could be completely wrong, but would appreciate your thoughts NGB.

You are correct HB that the rifle ammunition is waxed and this aids lubrication.  Loading does tend to leave some residue on the hands.  The waxing does not make it more difficult to handle the ammunition. It is quite a thin film. 

[Cambridgecutie]

You are correct HB that the rifle ammunition is waxed and this aids lubrication.  Loading does tend to leave some residue on the hands.  The waxing does not make it more difficult to handle the ammunition. It is quite a thin film.

As I think you know I went to a local gun shop and loaded the exact same cartridges into the exact same magazine and I could not detect any residues whatsover on my hands either by feel, look or odour. 

I contacted the manufacturers via email to clarify whether they had changed from earlier manufacturing and I was told, via email, no changes.

My findings above completely contradict MF's trial testimony.

[ngb1066]

As I think you know I went to a local gun shop and loaded the exact same cartridges into the exact same magazine and I could not detect any residues whatsover on my hands either by feel, look or odour. 

I contacted the manufacturers via email to clarify whether they had changed from earlier manufacturing and I was told, via email, no changes.

My findings above completely contradict MF's trial testimony.

I remember you mentioning this a while ago.  I have to say I am a bit surprised.  There is not much residue but I could always detect some after handling rifle ammunition. 

 

[Hardy Boy]

You are correct HB that the rifle ammunition is waxed and this aids lubrication.  Loading does tend to leave some residue on the hands.  The waxing does not make it more difficult to handle the ammunition. It is quite a thin film.

. Thank you NGB, So,  would  it be fair to say the fingerprints then become Patent fingerprints,  meaning when transferred with oil, grease, blood the fingerprint is visible to the naked eye?  Latent fingerprint is normal fingerprints, through sweat etc  not visible to the naked eye. 

So if Sheila had reloaded the Mag three times and handled 25 bullets, she would have had to have wax on her fingers and palms of her hands,  possibly transferred such to the rifle while shooting?  From this I would assume the shooter most probably was wearing gloves?

[ngb1066]

. Thank you NGB, So,  would  it be fair to say the fingerprints then become Patent fingerprints,  meaning when transferred with oil, grease, blood the fingerprint is visible to the naked eye?  Latent fingerprint is normal fingerprints, through sweat etc  not visible to the naked eye. 

So if Sheila had reloaded the Mag three times and handled 25 bullets, she would have had to have wax on her fingers and palms of her hands,  possibly transferred such to the rifle while shooting?  From this I would assume the shooter most probably was wearing gloves?

Somebody handling 25 rounds without gloves would be expected to get some trace of lubricant on the hands and a bit of that could be transferred to the rifle, but that would probably not be noticeable.  The traces of was would be small so I doubt if that would result in fingerprints being visible.

 

[snow66!]

nks Bubo, so that would suggest the police fabricated the silencer then?
But possibly asked the relatives to give a back story to suit it?

[snow66!]

I don't know what you mean by "the fact that the blood inside it wasn't an exact match for Sheila".

We are told a flake of blood inside the silencer matched SC's ABO, a protein and enzyme groups which didn't match any of the other victims.

Well thats basically what I meant, Cutie!
Why wasn't there enough blood to yield a full profile for Sheila?

[snow66!]

EP, the relatives & Huntingdon are three sets of law abiding individuals. The police are supposed to uphold the law & Huntingdon had no interest in the case.

So very optimistic to expect them to all simultaneously break the law so seriously and quickly.

Not if the shenanigans took place after Julie came forward, Adam!

[Cambridgecutie]

I remember you mentioning this a while ago.  I have to say I am a bit surprised.  There is not much residue but I could always detect some after handling rifle ammunition.

Was this when using:

https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/

[Cambridgecutie]

. Thank you NGB, So,  would  it be fair to say the fingerprints then become Patent fingerprints,  meaning when transferred with oil, grease, blood the fingerprint is visible to the naked eye?  Latent fingerprint is normal fingerprints, through sweat etc  not visible to the naked eye. 

So if Sheila had reloaded the Mag three times and handled 25 bullets, she would have had to have wax on her fingers and palms of her hands,  possibly transferred such to the rifle while shooting?  From this I would assume the shooter most probably was wearing gloves?

It is difficult to recover fingerprints from some surfaces, firearms being one such surface.