Did Jeremy have a reason to put the silencer back into the gun cupboard?

[Hardy Boy]

The prosecution will always say he took the sights off and inserted the silencer pre massacre.

Supporters will always say EP, the relatives and Huntingdon worked together to fabricate it. Not sure why they would when there was so much other evidence.

To remove the sights you needed an Allen key or pliers I think, it couldn’t just be removed by hand?  So it was either Neville or Bamber who removed them, just like it was either Sheila or Bamber who killed everyone? 

[Bubo bubo]

Thanks Bubo, that may explain it!
When did that take place?

He received the bullet PV20 with some blood on the 11/09/85.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494082.html#msg494082

[Cambridgecutie]

The silencer was at the back of the Gun cupboard in a box with the sights, the cupboard was 3 feet at the door entrance sloping down to 8 inches high at the back wall.   

The rifle was seen the week before the murders, with the silencer and sights attached by AP, he couldn’t remember if the Magazine was attached, he also saw two boxes of 50 rounds of ammunition on the desk in the den, he thought the ammunition was German make?

The rifle on a farm is to control vermin, used more effectively with a silencer and sights attached, the silencer is more effective when taking out larger numbers of vermin.

Bamber used to like target shooting, i would think with the sights attached, the murder scene showed that there was a rifle on top of Sheila minus sights and silencer,  so, without question,  someone must have taken the sights and silencer off the rifle during the week before the murders, it’s been suggested Neville took them off for cleaning, but why place them out of sight right at the back of the gun cupboard?

AP said the rifle scope and silencer looked new, would it need cleaning, do you have to remove the sights every time you clean the rifle or sights?

The rifle, sights, silencer and ammo were all purchased during Nov '84.  Some 20 months pre Aug '85.  NB had been the tenant farmer at WHF since the 1950's.  Which was the firearm and accessories of choice ie sights, silencer, ammo, for controlling vermin prior to the Nov '84 purchase?

We know the relatives, including AP, said this, that and the other in relation to the rifle, sights, silencer but they were only very occasional visitors.  What did others say who were regular visitors at WHF eg Babs Wilson, Jean Boutell and Len Foakes?

[Cambridgecutie]

Well I would have thought his first choice would be to simple leave it beside Sheila Snow, he would have been well aware the use of a silencer might be detectable.

But if for some bizarre reason he decides to put it in the gun cupboard I am sure he would give it a dam good clean, after all according to some he spent ages messing around burning Nevil's back. Surely he had a few extra minutes to clean the silencer?

I think we are awaiting your theory about how the silencer was fabricated.  There's a recent thread dedicated to this topic.  Thanks in anticipation. 

[Cambridgecutie]

The prosecution will always say he took the sights off and inserted the silencer pre massacre.

Supporters will always say EP, the relatives and Huntingdon worked together to fabricate it. Not sure why they would when there was so much other evidence.

The prosecution will always be a runaway train in the absence of a robust defence.

[Cambridgecutie]

To remove the sights you needed an Allen key or pliers I think, it couldn’t just be removed by hand?  So it was either Neville or Bamber who removed them, just like it was either Sheila or Bamber who killed everyone?

How can we rule out NB lending his rifle to some other member of the farming community?  Or some other person who had a legitimate right to borrow/use the rifle?

[Cambridgecutie]

Well thats another slightly peculiar aspect of the silencer evidence, Adam, the fact that the blood inside it wasn't an exact match for Sheila! So where did it come from if JB was framed?
I mean, if the blood was planted, why didn't the 'planter' as it were make sure there was enough of Sheila's blood to get an exact match?
What does this tell us?
Was the planter scarce of blood, or 'decent' blood, like Daves theory? Could this be why no exact match was found?
Surely the police would have a sufficient amount of Sheila's blood to get a perfect match if they were the culprits? Here's me contradicting my own theories now!
What if the blood was genuine backspatter? Why wasn't there enough to get an exact match?
Mmmm! More questions than answers!
Anyone any more ideas why the blood wasn't an exact match for Sheila?

I don't know what you mean by "the fact that the blood inside it wasn't an exact match for Sheila".

We are told a flake of blood inside the silencer matched SC's ABO, a protein and enzyme groups which didn't match any of the other victims. 

[Adam]

It is possible he removed the sights and inserted the silencer after his window access.

Also possible he did both in the days or hours leading up to the massacre.

[Adam]

EP, the relatives & Huntingdon are three sets of law abiding individuals. The police are supposed to uphold the law & Huntingdon had no interest in the case.

So very optimistic to expect them to all simultaneously break the law so seriously and quickly.

[Cambridgecutie]

It is possible he removed the sights and inserted the silencer after his window access.

Also possible he did both in the days or hours leading up to the massacre.

The rifle, sights, silencer and ammo were all purchased during Nov '84.  Some 20 months pre Aug '85.  NB had been the tenant farmer at WHF since the 1950's.  Which was the firearm and accessories of choice ie sights, silencer, ammo, for controlling vermin prior to the Nov '84 purchase?

We know the relatives, including AP, said this, that and the other in relation to the rifle, sights, silencer but they were only very occasional visitors.  What did others say who were regular visitors at WHF eg Babs Wilson, Jean Boutell and Len Foakes?

[Cambridgecutie]

EP, the relatives & Huntingdon are three sets of law abiding individuals. The police are supposed to uphold the law & Huntingdon had no interest in the case.

So very optimistic to expect them to all simultaneously break the law so seriously and quickly.

It isn't necessary to show who was responsible for fabricating the silencer just that it was.  Post acquittal the responsibility of attempting to determine who was responsible will rest with the relevant authorities.
 

[Cambridgecutie]

Will look at things differently. Was involved in crime since 1982

I used to burn stuff, this was low level.

Surprised you met JB on a cat A wing based on your low level crime?

[Curiosity]

The rifle, sights, silencer and ammo were all purchased during Nov '84.  Some 20 months pre Aug '85.  NB had been the tenant farmer at WHF since the 1950's.  Which was the firearm and accessories of choice ie sights, silencer, ammo, for controlling vermin prior to the Nov '84 purchase?

We know the relatives, including AP, said this, that and the other in relation to the rifle, sights, silencer but they were only very occasional visitors.  What did others say who were regular visitors at WHF eg Babs Wilson, Jean Boutell and Len Foakes?

Years spent in finance and still can't add up.  20 months? 

[Cambridgecutie]

Years spent in finance and still can't add up.  20 months? 

I said 'some 20 months'!

[Curiosity]

I said 'some 20 months'!

You'd wriggle your way out of jail if you got the chance.  Unlike Jeremy Bamber.