Brief clip audio of Jeremy Bamber

[Cambridgecutie]

Do you think SJ fabricating the silencer should have been a ground in 89, 2002, 2012 or 2021?

To secure an acquittal at trial it was necessary to demonstrate that the blood supposedly found inside the silencer did not get there by way of the drawback phenomenon.  As the defence effectively went along with the prosecution narrative claiming SC used the silencer and the blood represented an intimate mix of NB and June's blood it resulted in a guilty verdict.

1989 - the defence had a little go at undermining the blood by arguing heat from firing of the rifle may have altered the blood results but still with the mixed blood theory.

2002 - the defence attempted to undermine the blood using LCN DNA evidence but still with the mixed blood theory

2012 - the defence attempted to undermine the silencer by arguing it was not on the gun evidenced by the PS' photographic evidence and testimony from the US re the marks to NB's back

2021 - the defence are attempting to undermine the silencer by saying there was more than 1!?  No idea how this undermines the evidence presented at trial.

All of the above utterly useless.  You have to strike at the heart which is deliberate contamination because that is exactly what happened.  It is not necessary to point the finger at the perp(s) just need to demonstrate that it was scientifically impossible for it to have happened the way the prosection claimed ie drawback phenomenon and that the evidence was fabricated.

[Cambridgecutie]

Climbing through windows? I'm pretty sure PE simply opened the front door to give it to him? 

Either the OUTSIDE of the silencer was contaminated by DS Jones pre relatives finding or after.

At some stage he also emptied the contents of NB's wallet.

[Cambridgecutie]

I can see a jealousy forming between a cocksure 24 year old coming into significant wealth and a haggard detective.

From what we're lead to believe though he took an instant dislike to JB, from the outset. Which is unusual.

Jealousy and envy, while related, are distinct emotions. Jealousy is a feeling of fear or resentment about losing something or someone you have, often involving a third party. Envy, on the other hand, is a feeling of wanting what someone else has, a desire for something they possess or achieve. Essentially, jealousy is about losing, while envy is about having.

But as you said he gave AE short shrift re her interfering over the personal effects at WHF.  So this might have been his general demeanor with everyone. 

He wasn't a physically attractive man imo and he didn't present well in the Sky docu.  I struggled to understand him at times. 

If we knew more about his background we might have a better understanding.  I will see what I can find out 

[Hardy Boy]

I can see a jealousy forming between a cocksure 24 year old coming into significant wealth and a haggard detective.

From what we're lead to believe though he took an instant dislike to JB, from the outset. Which is unusual.

Stan was being told from the start who to interview, by either Taff or Miller.  It wasn’t just Stan who was interviewing Bamber Clark was doing most of the interviewing.  When Stan telephoned Miller telling him he wanted to discuss things,  (it was in relation to Bamber’s behaviour, the family not believing Sheila could use a gun ECT) he was then invited to the Meeting at WHF.  Clark also attended but he was late because he had been with JM to identify the bodies at the Morgue, he had the same feeling as Stan and told Taff so, Taff dismissed them both saying they had been influenced by the families.


I don’t think anyone can blame Stan at this stage, things don’t add up for most of us, I think the family was adding a lot of doubt into Stan in the early stages,  he’s there to listen to both sides and form an opinion.  On the other hand, you have Taff who is not interviewing and obviously  not listening to his chain of Command, clearing the crime scene as though it was solved, he gave instructions to  Cook he didn’t require a fingerprint examination and not to do a full search of the premises.

[ILB]

Jealousy and envy, while related, are distinct emotions. Jealousy is a feeling of fear or resentment about losing something or someone you have, often involving a third party. Envy, on the other hand, is a feeling of wanting what someone else has, a desire for something they possess or achieve. Essentially, jealousy is about losing, while envy is about having.

But as you said he gave AE short shrift re her interfering over the personal effects at WHF.  So this might have been his general demeanor with everyone. 

He wasn't a physically attractive man imo and he didn't present well in the Sky docu.  I struggled to understand him at times. 

If we knew more about his background we might have a better understanding.  I will see what I can find out 

As crazy as it sounds this type of behaviour has existed in all types of " macho" male environments since the beginning of time.

Taff was equally scathing of DS Jones questioning him on his conclusion. Nobody wants to admit that they are wrong.

It's one man upmanship, is there any personal record of animosity between both Jones pre August 7th 85? Who knows.

[ILB]

If SBJ could pull something off like this to frame a 24 year old reasonably intelligent, middle class soon to he wealthy farmer. Then how many other people has he wronged?

[Hardy Boy]

Jealousy and envy, while related, are distinct emotions. Jealousy is a feeling of fear or resentment about losing something or someone you have, often involving a third party. Envy, on the other hand, is a feeling of wanting what someone else has, a desire for something they possess or achieve. Essentially, jealousy is about losing, while envy is about having.

But as you said he gave AE short shrift re her interfering over the personal effects at WHF.  So this might have been his general demeanor with everyone. 

He wasn't a physically attractive man imo and he didn't present well in the Sky docu.  I struggled to understand him at times. 

If we knew more about his background we might have a better understanding.  I will see what I can find out 

Who told you that Claude or KE or Cutie?

[Hardy Boy]

Either the OUTSIDE of the silencer was contaminated by DS Jones pre relatives finding or after.

At some stage he also emptied the contents of NB's wallet.

Without any proof whatsoever, I’d sooner listen to Claude and that’s saying something!

[ILB]

Without any proof whatsoever, I’d sooner listen to Claude and that’s saying something!

Claude?

[Hardy Boy]

Climbing through windows? I'm pretty sure PE simply opened the front door to give it to him? 

Especially after offering him a bung, she’s all over the place with it and no one takes her seriously anyway. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Who told you that Claude or KE or Cutie?

Who told me what?

[Hardy Boy]

Claude?

Davids BOT

[Cambridgecutie]

Without any proof whatsoever, I’d sooner listen to Claude and that’s saying something!

It isn't without any proof whatsover that the silencer was contaminated.

[Cambridgecutie]

Stan was being told from the start who to interview, by either Taff or Miller.  It wasn’t just Stan who was interviewing Bamber Clark was doing most of the interviewing.  When Stan telephoned Miller telling him he wanted to discuss things,  (it was in relation to Bamber’s behaviour, the family not believing Sheila could use a gun ECT) he was then invited to the Meeting at WHF.  Clark also attended but he was late because he had been with JM to identify the bodies at the Morgue, he had the same feeling as Stan and told Taff so, Taff dismissed them both saying they had been influenced by the families.

DC Clark took JB's initial wit stats 7th and 8th Aug.  DCI Jones interviewed JB on 8th and 9th Sep.  DS Jones interviewed JB on 10th and 12th Sep.

I don’t think anyone can blame Stan at this stage, things don’t add up for most of us, I think the family was adding a lot of doubt into Stan in the early stages,  he’s there to listen to both sides and form an opinion.  On the other hand, you have Taff who is not interviewing and obviously  not listening to his chain of Command, clearing the crime scene as though it was solved, he gave instructions to  Cook he didn’t require a fingerprint examination and not to do a full search of the premises.

You are completely wrong as usual.  DCI Jones did interview JB on 8/9 Sep.  And he was following his chain of command.  Chief Sup Harris was at the soc long before DCI Jones arrived and had already declared it one of murder/suicide.  The police surgeon was of the same opinion. 

DCI Hammersley confirmed at trial that nothing of evidential value was disposed of.

What would be the point of a fingerprint examination when both suspects had a legitimate right to be at WHF and handle the contents therein?

[Hardy Boy]

You are completely wrong as usual.  DCI Jones did interview JB on 8/9 Sep.  And he was following his chain of command.  Chief Sup Harris was at the soc long before DCI Jones arrived and had already declared it one of murder/suicide.  The police surgeon was of the same opinion. 

DCI Hammersley confirmed at trial that nothing of evidential value was disposed of.

What would be the point of a fingerprint examination when both suspects had a legitimate right to be at WHF and handle the contents therein?

I know he did, he interviewed him after Stan told him what Bamber had said about the Rabbits and shooting at them to some, the main interviewing was done by Clark and Taff wouldn’t listen to them both and started to clear the crime scene. I’m talking PRE  WHF meeting when Taff had made up his mind!