Brief clip audio of Jeremy Bamber

[snow66!]

How will they overcome the blood /silencer evidence? There is nothing left to test.

Julie's WS is unbreakable & she will never retract.

Cutie is going to disprove the backspatter theory, Adam!

[Bubo bubo]

Who did they agree with to get the case over the line?   Stop diverting your nonsense with another case. So you say the FSS agreed in the Bamber case to get it over the line to convict Jeremy, who did they agree with?   Who in their wisdom decided to put blood on the inside of the silencer on the baffle plates creating back splatter?

I think that this aspect could have occurred at the FSS. I posted this some time ago.

Have you completed your analysis of the McKenzie report. It suggests some very worrying points. I will not list them all since it is only a few pages and readers can see the claims for themselves.

1 There was never a flake of blood in the silencer.

2 As expounded by Holly Goodhead on Red and her analysis of the serological components being unable to remain viable over time, the blood on the baffles is not conclusively Sheila's.

3 MF dismantled the SM on the 13/08/85. I have seen no GER for this and it is claimed the HOLAB 5 form is a fake. Why would RC dismantle it again if he knew this?

4 JH did not conduct the tests on the flake but testified as if he had.

It is possible that it was MF. He received some blood and tissue with the bullet PV20. Some of the blood could have formed in a flake and he could have claimed he found it when examining the sound moderator.
I still find it strange that RWC never found it (it was claimed to be loose) when he dismantled the SM and photographed it on the 21/08/85. I believe the flake was measured and was 5mm. It was not large.

[Adam]

Cutie is going to disprove the backspatter theory, Adam!

Better late than never.

[snow66!]

I think that this aspect could have occurred at the FSS. I posted this some time ago.

It is possible that it was MF. He received some blood and tissue with the bullet PV20. Some of the blood could have formed in a flake and he could have claimed he found it when examining the sound moderator.
I still find it strange that RWC never found it (it was claimed to be loose) when he dismantled the SM and photographed it on the 21/08/85. I believe the flake was measured and was 5mm. It was not large.

Does the shenanigans with the silencer correspond with the time Julie came forward, Bubo?

[BarefootDanC]

Does the shenanigans with the silencer correspond with the time Julie came forward, Bubo?

The silencer tested positive for blood on the outside on the 13th August and Julie going to the police took place in September. However, the tests on the blood inside the sound moderator took place in September.

[ILB]

Well he was bright enough to get the ball rolling with the silencer and securing JM's testimony.  But yeah I get what you're saying he was an accident waiting to happen and needed to be on a long leash imo.  It seemed to me it was a busy time for EP with summer hols and PACE training.  Perhaps ordinarily he would be more accountable to the likes of DCI Jones and Chief Sup Harris.

There may have been a severe case of one man upmanship at stake within the CID division and he may have seen Bamber as a golden goose.

Believe he retired in 1991, wonder if he stayed at DS in the aftermath or went up in ranks.

[Hardy Boy]

I think that this aspect could have occurred at the FSS. I posted this some time ago.

It is possible that it was MF. He received some blood and tissue with the bullet PV20. Some of the blood could have formed in a flake and he could have claimed he found it when examining the sound moderator.
I still find it strange that RWC never found it (it was claimed to be loose) when he dismantled the SM and photographed it on the 21/08/85. I believe the flake was measured and was 5mm. It was not large.

Oh, so it was MF who decided he would play God, along with Stan, was they both in it together?  MF just mentions P/V 20 as a bullet not seen mention of blood and tissue in his statement, i am at a disadvantage though, just using iphone!   He also says he “ I have been unable to find any evidence that the silencer was ever mounted to the rifle”

[Hardy Boy]

Oh, so it was MF who decided he would play God, along with Stan, was they both in it together?  MF just mentions P/V 20 as a bullet not seen mention of blood and tissue in his statement, i am at a disadvantage though, just using iphone!   He also says he “ I have been unable to find any evidence that the silencer was ever mounted to the rifle”

I think he formed the view the silencer was used, because of the absence of blood in the rifle barrel and the presence of blood in the silencer due to the lab testing results?

[Bubo bubo]

Oh, so it was MF who decided he would play God, along with Stan, was they both in it together?  MF just mentions P/V 20 as a bullet not seen mention of blood and tissue in his statement, i am at a disadvantage though, just using iphone!   He also says he “ I have been unable to find any evidence that the silencer was ever mounted to the rifle”

Check out my posts HB. He swapped PV20 because it had lans and grooves not consistent with being fired by the Anschutz. He was passed PV20 by Taylor. His GER is on the forum and I have referenced this document in my posts if I remember correctly. CC thinks he was lacking in experience.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494127.html#msg494127

[snow66!]

The silencer tested positive for blood on the outside on the 13th August and Julie going to the police took place in September. However, the tests on the blood inside the sound moderator took place in September.

Was the silencer tested on the inside before or after Julie went to the police, Dan?
Or at least, when were the results from the testing documented?

[Hardy Boy]

Check out my posts HB. He swapped PV20 because it had lans and grooves not consistent with being fired by the Anschutz. He was passed PV20 by Taylor. His GER is on the forum and I have referenced this document in my posts if I remember correctly. CC thinks he was lacking in experience.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494127.html#msg494127

Thanks Bubo, what date was this do you know? Must have been early if he says it was wet blood, surely blood on a bullet would dry pretty quickly?   I can’t quite follow it yet poor connection and reading ability, no internet service.

[Hardy Boy]

Was the silencer tested on the inside before or after Julie went to the police, Dan?
Or at least, when were the results from the testing documented?

Before, Glynis Howard started the tests on the 13th of August. I can’t post it, because I’m using my iPhone and I don’t know how to copy and paste documents from this, if you go to her statements she says she removed blood from inside and outside of the silencer on this day?

[snow66!]

Before, Glynis Howard started the tests on the 13th of August. I can’t post it, because I’m using my iPhone and I don’t know how to copy and paste documents from this, if you go to her statements she says she removed blood from inside and outside of the silencer on this day?

OK, thanks HB, i'll take a look.

[Bubo bubo]

Before, Glynis Howard started the tests on the 13th of August. I can’t post it, because I’m using my iPhone and I don’t know how to copy and paste documents from this, if you go to her statements she says she removed blood from inside and outside of the silencer on this day?

She swabbed the outside and the inside but only about 1/4"  or so. She did not look inside to a greater depth. Believe it is in one of her statements or trial testimony. In her trial testimony she says just inside. She gave reasons for not dismantling.

[snow66!]

She swabbed the outside and the inside but only about 1/4"  or so. She did not look inside to a greater depth. Believe it is in one of her statements or trial testimony. In her trial testimony she says just inside. She gave reasons for not dismantling.

Thanks Bubo!