Brief clip audio of Jeremy Bamber

[snow66!]

It is not necessary to prove to the CCRC/CoA how the blood test results came about just that it was not through the drawback phenomenon as claimed by the prosecution at trial.  The former will be for the inevitable public inquiry to determine post acquittal.  I have always said, and still maintain, that we will learn more post acquittal than we know pre acquittal.

Ah! I see where your coming from now, Cutie!

[snow66!]

Even if this was true, which it isn't, how does it exonerate JB?  It doesn't.

It is true ,Cutie!, I will try and find out where I seen/saw this!

[snow66!]

From the Doc Maker-
'Yvonne and Jeremy had a theory that they [burns] were caused by the handles on the Aga oven.'

[Cambridgecutie]

From the Doc Maker-
'Yvonne and Jeremy had a theory that they [burns] were caused by the handles on the Aga oven.'

Are you for real?! 

[ILB]

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind    When the CCRC throws out the most recent submission he might be more open to a change of personnel and a different strategy 

Do you think the CT are essentially useless?

[ILB]

I've tried to get through to him in the past.  Another example is snow/'Aga burns'.  We can spend many a happy hour poring over all sorts of nonsense here but the CCRC/CoA are only interested in very narrow aspects of the case and anything outside is a complete non-starter.

Completely true, the barrister on the theroux doc summed it to a tee " a slam dunk nature" something that casts doubt on the original verdict. Nothing about the Aga burns undermines JBs position and neither does it implicate SC, it also doesn't effect the blood or JM

Who's paying Boyce?

[Cambridgecutie]

Do you think the CT are essentially useless?

I think they probably provide JB with some emotional support in the absence of family.  This could be a good thing and save him from loopy females wanting a 'relationship', marriage etc.   

[snow66!]

Are you for real?!

How so, Cutie?
What have I done now?

[David1819]

Do you think the CT are essentially useless?

Their hearts are in the right place. But its a classic example of one step forward two steps back.

[ILB]

That's grasping at straws if ever I heard it! Let's chuck this one into the mix and see who's prepared to run with it! You never know, it might just work!!!

I would try anything if I was a man in JBs position. I'm not joking.

If JB is genuinely innocent then the man has gone through the most horrendous ordeal anybody could ever experience. Losing his entire family and spent 40 years in prison. Most apart from a brief period as a CAT B, in CAT A conditions.

[Cambridgecutie]

I would try anything if I was a man in JBs position. I'm not joking.

If JB is genuinely innocent then the man has gone through the most horrendous ordeal anybody could ever experience. Losing his entire family and spent 40 years in prison. Most apart from a brief period as a CAT B, in CAT A conditions.

Life as a cat A prisoner will be his 'normal' now much the same way our little lives are 'normal' to us    He would probably struggle more with 'freedom' now. 

[Bubo bubo]

Their hearts are in the right place. But its a classic example of one step forward two steps back.

I give them credit for their work given that they receive no financial reward and have lives of their own. However i think they spent too much time on the disclosure issue and did not spread their investigations on a more detailed examination of the evidence(docs etc) that they had. It is true lack of disclosure has given rise to quite a few MOJ's and should be pursued  Maybe it is a lack of resources human and physical but to me it seemed that this was just one strategy and a more holistic approach might have yielded better results. The results whilst welcome were kicked in to the long grass by EP's response.
Hats off to them anyway.

[ILB]

Life as a cat A prisoner will be his 'normal' now much the same way our little lives are 'normal' to us    He would probably struggle more with 'freedom' now.

Believe JB would struggle as would anybody imprisoned for that length of time. Standard.

I personally have an admiration for JB, for clawing away for as long as he has. I know the vast majority don't share the notion.

I only use my experience of meeting many lifers who claim innocence and after a first appeal knock back simply settle into the prison regime, keep their head down,engage with psychology and do the courses with an eventual goal to get out.

JBs whole tariff in 1994, doesn't apply, he's been fighting since day one. Ever since that gulity verdict got announced in 86.

JB has stuck to his stance from day one. And believe me he will have lived the most awkward regime for it.

[ILB]

Their hearts are in the right place. But its a classic example of one step forward two steps back.

It's got a cultish vibe to it.

I think CC pointed this out and she's right.

[Cambridgecutie]

His modus operandi when dealing with bereaved families perhaps?

But it wasn't his m.o when he dealt with JB at WHF ie 'they're dead and the sooner you accept it the better' and PE was related to the Bambers by marriage to AE.