The AGA burns revisited.

[ILB]

All that is certain is that he had to do two re loads after the kitchen fight.

The order of his post fight shots was up to him.

With Nevill & June negated, the twins asleep/negated & Sheila probably still sleeping he would feel in control.

Must have been on some good nytol with the halpierdol shelia.

[ILB]

To me high chance the Bamber/nevill commotion would wake Shelia.

Two blokes running around, either straight down the staircase or as Adam suggests via the twins bedroom.

First port of call for shelia on hearing the commotion will be the twins room, mother instinct.

Bamber downstairs, will be to preoccupied with Nevill so will not hear her.

[Cambridgecutie]

Nevills position the way he was found most unusual. In my opinion.

On a upturned chair with his face planted on the coal scuttle.

Don't see why Bamber would place him there for the head shots.

If he managed to place him there it already points to him being severely incapacitated at the stage.

Neither pathologist seemed to think it was 'unusual' nor did any police officer. 

Consider the state the poor man must have been in when he reached the kitchen both physically and mentally. 

[ILB]

Neither pathologist seemed to think it was 'unusual' nor did any police officer. 

Consider the state the poor man must have been in when he reached the kitchen both physically and mentally.

Do you believe it to be a natural position to be in?

[Cambridgecutie]

Do you believe it to be a natural position to be in?

Well I only have access to the grainy image but there's nothing that I can see that says it is anything other than NB ending up in that position under his own steam.  But more importantly neither pathologist or the police surgeon or any police officer raised it as suspicious. 

Why does everything have to be complicated and/or a conspiracy?

[Adam]

To me high chance the Bamber/nevill commotion would wake Shelia.

Two blokes running around, either straight down the staircase or as Adam suggests via the twins bedroom.

First port of call for shelia on hearing the commotion will be the twins room, mother instinct.

Bamber downstairs, will be to preoccupied with Nevill so will not hear her.

Sheila could have woken and gone into the twins room.

Then gone into the main bedroom via the box room where Bamber shot her.

That would explain no blood on her feet.

[Adam]

The kitchen fight would have been quite loud.

But a long way for the noise to travel. Upstairs in a big house. Through Sheila's bedroom door and to the far end of the bedroom.

It would then have to be loud enough to wake someone under sedation.

But if she woke, she woke.

[ILB]

Well I only have access to the grainy image but there's nothing that I can see that says it is anything other than NB ending up in that position under his own steam.  But more importantly neither pathologist or the police surgeon or any police officer raised it as suspicious. 

Why does everything have to be complicated and/or a conspiracy?

It doesn't, where am I insinuating that?

[Cambridgecutie]

It doesn't, where am I insinuating that?

You said you thought it "unusual"?

Anyway, I have now looked at the image where NB is silhouetted which shows the surrounding area/chair etc clearer.  No I don't think it is unusual.  NB was a tall man with long legs so I can see how he would topple and end up in that position.  It would probably be unusual for someone like me as I am only 5' 3".

[Curiosity]

You said you thought it "unusual"?

Anyway, I have now looked at the image where NB is silhouetted which shows the surrounding area/chair etc clearer.  No I don't think it is unusual.  NB was a tall man with long legs so I can see how he would topple and end up in that position.  It would probably be unusual for someone like me as I am only 5' 3".

Because his pyjama pants were found around his ankles, I think they worked loose and fell down during the altercation causing him to lose balance and fall onto and straddle the nearest chair back behind him. Nothing more complicated than that.

[Cambridgecutie]

Because his pyjama pants were found around his ankles, I think they worked loose and fell down during the altercation causing him to lose balance and fall onto and straddle the nearest chair back behind him. Nothing more complicated than that.

Yes that makes sense.

[snow66!]

Because his pyjama pants were found around his ankles, I think they worked loose and fell down during the altercation causing him to lose balance and fall onto and straddle the nearest chair back behind him. Nothing more complicated than that.

Agree!

[snow66!]

Sheila could have woken and gone into the twins room.

Then gone into the main bedroom via the box room where Bamber shot her.

That would explain no blood on her feet.

Do you think JB planned to burn Nevills back from the outset, Adam?
What if JB managed to kill/wound Nevill in the main bedroom as he 'allegedly' tried to do, would he still have gone down stairs and heated up the rifle or poker to check for signs of life?

[Adam]

Do you think JB planned to burn Nevills back from the outset, Adam?
What if JB managed to kill/wound Nevill in the main bedroom as he 'allegedly' tried to do, would he still have gone down stairs and heated up the rifle or poker to check for signs of life?

He couldn't burn him upstairs. The instrument would get cold.

[Hardy Boy]

He couldn't burn him upstairs. The instrument would get cold.

He could always take the AGA with him upstairs?