Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981

[Adam]

The photos show there are several items in front of the kitchen window pegs.

Making it less likely the police would notice the bottom handle was off it's pegs. They were not allowed to move anything.

None of the police mentioned the bottom handle.

Bamber was tall enough to reach into the window and put some items in front of the pegs. After exiting and prior to banging it shut.

[Cambridgecutie]

You can't possibly know for sure whose finger was on the trigger at that stage, or who placed whose finger on the trigger for the final result, as I suspect.

The totality of the physical evidence at soc supports the perp in the bedroom shooting June.  NB then arriving on the little staircase just before the entrance to the main bedroom where he sustained his facial gunshot wounds.  How can this scenario implicate JB?  It doesn't.  It implicates SC because it was her finger on the trigger. 

[Curiosity]

"The totality of the physical evidence at soc supports the perp in the bedroom shooting June"....... and Nevill as he was getting out of bed to see what Crispy was barking at.

[Adam]

I don't agree Bamber gave Nevill a head start to go downstairs while he shot June.

Too many weapons downstairs. Both inside the unlocked gun cupboard and outside.

[Cambridgecutie]

"The totality of the physical evidence at soc supports the perp in the bedroom shooting June"....... and Nevill as he was getting out of bed to see what Crispy was barking at.

There's not a scintilla of evidence NB sustained any gunshot wounds in the bedroom:

- No blood originating from him either on the bedroom carpet or on the landing carpet.
- No casings pertaining to his gunshot wounds in the bedroom
- The gunshot wounds by way of distance, trajectories and wound tracks mean it was impossible for NB to have sustained these anywhere other than where they occured: two facial shots on the little staircase just before the main bedroom and the shoulder and elbow/chest gunshot wounds on the main staircase with the perp behind. 

[Steve_uk]

The totality of the physical evidence at soc supports the perp in the bedroom shooting June. NB then arriving on the little staircase just before the entrance to the main bedroom where he sustained his facial gunshot wounds.  How can this scenario implicate JB?  It doesn't.  It implicates SC because it was her finger on the trigger.

Why does it have to be Sheila and how does it rule out Jeremy? I assume that you accept the perpetrator is narrowed down to two suspects.

[Rob_]

To be honest Steve, if I had been on the jury jury and listened to JM dribble, it would have boiiled down to the silencer and JM testimony and for me to be beyond reasonable doubt that Jeremy killed everyone,  I would have considered joining the two Jury members that thought it wasn’t beyond reasonable doubt?  Yet I post on here for guilt.  I don’t think anyone on here is beyond reasonable doubt either way. Cutie is a classic, she posts as KE pro guilt and she posts as Cambridgecutie for innocent.

I am pretty close to 100% JB is innocent, the more I read and research the more convinced I am.

For example a phone off hook on the old Strowger exchange sets an alarm on in the exchange, yet the operator when checking latter in the night said that the line was now engaged (cannot remember the time).

[Steve_uk]

I am pretty close to 100% JB is innocent, the more I read and research the more convinced I am.

For example a phone off hook on the old Strowger exchange sets an alarm on in the exchange, yet the operator when checking latter in the night said that the line was now engaged (cannot remember the time).

But it was patched up by a BT operator, hence the change in dialling tone. Given that mistakes were made in the presentation of the case at trial, or it was a difficult case to prove (hence Bamber claiming to Julie it was "the perfect crime") hasn't the literature dealing with the White House Farm murders convinced you that Jeremy saw his opportunity to become an inheritance killer, took it and nearly got away with it?

[Cambridgecutie]

But you did post as a Guilter,  Killing Eve.

As I said recently, when I first looked at the case I was completely open-minded.  How could it be otherwise when I knew very little about it?  Then I started shifting more towards innocent until it got to 100% sure of innocence. 

It is easy to post as a 'guilter' when the focus is on aspects of the case that have no forensic basis to them eg phone calls, bikes, sea wall, testimony from lay witnesses that had something to gain.   

Most are unable or unwilling to consider aspects of the case that have a forensic basis to them.  Steve is a classic example.  He is unable/unwilling to understand the blood evidence  and physical evidence at soc and instead will rely on some claim from BW about NB saying he thought someone was going to shoot him!?  Really?  Who?  And if so why would he leave firearms hanging around with ammo when he lived in a remote farmhouse? 

[Hardy Boy]

As I said recently, when I first looked at the case I was completely open-minded.  How could it be otherwise when I knew very little about it?  Then I started shifting more towards innocent until it got to 100% sure of innocence. 

It is easy to post as a 'guilter' when the focus is on aspects of the case that have no forensic basis to them eg phone calls, bikes, sea wall, testimony from lay witnesses that had something to gain.   

Most are unable or unwilling to consider aspects of the case that have a forensic basis to them.  Steve is a classic example.  He is unable/unwilling to understand the blood evidence  and physical evidence at soc and instead will rely on some claim from BW about NB saying he thought someone was going to shoot him!?  Really?  Who?  And if so why would he leave firearms hanging around with ammo when he lived in a remote farmhouse?

So you don’t deny you was KE then?

[ILB]

I am pretty close to 100% JB is innocent, the more I read and research the more convinced I am.

For example a phone off hook on the old Strowger exchange sets an alarm on in the exchange, yet the operator when checking latter in the night said that the line was now engaged (cannot remember the time).

I lean to innocence more than guilt but I can't be 100 percent either way which is why I look straight down the middle.

But the gulit perspective to me is more heavy in the direction of a conspiracy with himself and Julie. Not the woman breaking free official narrative.

There's no evidence of any type of coercive control post massacre reference JB to Julie, she wasn't trapped. She more tagged along as Jeremy seemed to want to spend more time with other friends and Brett

[Hardy Boy]

I lean to innocence more than guilt but I can't be 100 percent either way which is why I look straight down the middle.

You do right ILB and I admire your view, no one can be 100per cent, If I am honest I’ve seen what length a woman scorned will go to to frame, accuse and tell lies for revenge and financial gains.

[Cambridgecutie]

You do right ILB and I admire your view, no one can be 100per cent, If I am honest I’ve seen what length a woman scorned will go to to frame, accuse and tell lies for revenge and financial gains.

You don't know what her reason(s) were for being untruthful. 

[Hardy Boy]

You don't know what her reason(s) were for being untruthful.

Probably right, the same as I don’t know your reasons for being untruthful? 

[Cambridgecutie]

Probably right, the same as I don’t know your reasons for being untruthful?

How can you compare me: an unknown entity pi@@ing about on an obscure internet forum, with the chief prosecution witness giving evidence, under oath, in a case involving 4 murders and a suicide or 5 murders? 

Adopting a pseudonym to play devil's advocate is not being untruthful.  Stop being sanctimonous Softy Boy, otherwise I will arrange to meet with you in Cambridge, nick your bike and hide it in such a way that you will never again be reunited with it