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[ILB]

You rarely, if ever post anything detrimental to the Bamber case.

Because I only find about three things detrimental against him, and one of them I feel dubious about due to the circumstances that surround it. That's just my opinion.

[Hardy Boy]

You rarely, if ever post anything detrimental to the Bamber case.

To be honest Steve, if I had been on the jury jury and listened to JM dribble, it would have boiiled down to the silencer and JM testimony and for me to be beyond reasonable doubt that Jeremy killed everyone,  I would have considered joining the two Jury members that thought it wasn’t beyond reasonable doubt?  Yet I post on here for guilt.  I don’t think anyone on here is beyond reasonable doubt either way. Cutie is a classic, she posts as KE pro guilt and she posts as Cambridgecutie for innocent.

[Adam]

Barlow and Ann Eaton should be questioned by the CCRC in relation to the bottom latch of the kitchen window.

They never said the bottom latch fell into it's pegs.

The top handle being banged so it moves an inch into place gave an impression of closed.

This together with bolted doors and other locked windows gave the impression of a locked from inside house. It was!

[Steve_uk]

To be honest Steve, if I had been on the jury jury and listened to JM dribble, it would have boiiled down to the silencer and JM testimony and for me to be beyond reasonable doubt that Jeremy killed everyone,  I would have considered joining the two Jury members that thought it wasn’t beyond reasonable doubt?  Yet I post on here for guilt.  I don’t think anyone on here is beyond reasonable doubt either way. Cutie is a classic, she posts as KE pro guilt and she posts as Cambridgecutie for innocent.

Knowing the background history to the case, which the jury was unaware of, I'm quite sure in my own mind that Bamber is guilty: the adoption which June couldn't really manage, Nevill's decision to send him off to Gresham's at eight years old, the growing alienation as Jeremy clung on to material values rather than people, the shunning by his parents of Suzette and her subsequent miscarriages, the doormat Julie, whose inertia may have given credence in his own warped mind to his dastardly plan, the realization that he was tied to the farm under the terms of his father's will, and his sister's expressed wish to kill all people coupled with her mental illness conspired to make the hypothetical scheme a reality.

[Cambridgecutie]

They never said the bottom latch fell into it's pegs.

The top handle being banged so it moves an inch into place gave an impression of closed.

This together with bolted doors and other locked windows gave the impression of a locked from inside house. It was!

Giving the "impression" doesn't mean to say that it was secured from within as confirmed by DCI Jones.  Its all history.  Jury needed to go to WHF to see for itself. 

[Adam]

Giving the "impression" doesn't mean to say that it was secured from within as confirmed by DCI Jones.  Its all history.  Jury needed to go to WHF to see for itself.

If all the doors are bolted and other windows secure, doubt the bottom kitchen window lock not being on it's pegs resulted in them saying WHF was not secure.

[ILB]

If all the doors are bolted and other windows secure, doubt the bottom kitchen window lock not being on it's pegs resulted in them saying WHF was not secure.

Then it's not secure then is it.

[Adam]

The police saying WHF was secure benefitted Bamber.

However over the next month Julie, the relatives & the police found his exit route.

The Housekeeper saying 4 fixed items around the sink had been moved.

The defence did have 14 months to check the window. Rivlin visiting WHF. They did not say at trial the window could not be banged shut from outside. 

[lookout]

From what I understand, keys were available via a back door so no need for any break-ins. An entrance used by those working in the fields.

[Cambridgecutie]

To be honest Steve, if I had been on the jury jury and listened to JM dribble, it would have boiiled down to the silencer and JM testimony and for me to be beyond reasonable doubt that Jeremy killed everyone,  I would have considered joining the two Jury members that thought it wasn’t beyond reasonable doubt?  Yet I post on here for guilt.  I don’t think anyone on here is beyond reasonable doubt either way. Cutie is a classic, she posts as KE pro guilt and she posts as Cambridgecutie for innocent.

When I first joined this forum, Feb 2012, I was on the fence.  How could it be otherwise?  I knew very little about the case.  After a few weeks/month or two of reading a lot of the case docs, books etc I was 80/90% in the pro innocent camp.  After a couple of years posting on the Red forum about the soc evidence I joined it all up and realised NB's upstairs gunshot wounds were sustained in such a way it supported the phone call and SC was in the main bedroom shooting June before NB came upstairs.  At this point I became 100% in the pro innocent camp because that is what the totality of the physical/soc evidence supports.  It is easy to post as a guilter/supporter on many of the topics because they are circumstantial but other aspects that are not circumstantial, that are rooted in science/physical evidence, it is impossible to genuinely post as a guilter.
 

[Cambridgecutie]

If all the doors are bolted and other windows secure, doubt the bottom kitchen window lock not being on it's pegs resulted in them saying WHF was not secure.

DCI Jones' notebook makes quite clear he checked all windows and doors and all were secured from within other than a small window in the pantry I think which was covered in mesh and cobwebs and clearly had not recently been disturbed.   

[Cambridgecutie]

From what I understand, keys were available via a back door so no need for any break-ins. An entrance used by those working in the fields.

The doors were all bolted from within hence the raid team used a sledgehammer. 

The back door at WHF had recently been replaced I assume in connection with the newly built downstairs office. 

[Steve_uk]

When I first joined this forum, Feb 2012, I was on the fence.  How could it be otherwise?  I knew very little about the case.  After a few weeks/month or two of reading a lot of the case docs, books etc I was 80/90% in the pro innocent camp.  After a couple of years posting on the Red forum about the soc evidence I joined it all up and realised NB's upstairs gunshot wounds were sustained in such a way it supported the phone call and SC was in the main bedroom shooting June before NB came upstairs.  At this point I became 100% in the pro innocent camp because that is what the totality of the physical/soc evidence supports.  It is easy to post as a guilter/supporter on many of the topics because they are circumstantial but other aspects that are not circumstantial, that are rooted in science/physical evidence, it is impossible to genuinely post as a guilter.

You can't possibly know for sure whose finger was on the trigger at that stage, or who placed whose finger on the trigger for the final result, as I suspect.

[Hardy Boy]

When I first joined this forum, Feb 2012, I was on the fence.  How could it be otherwise?  I knew very little about the case.  After a few weeks/month or two of reading a lot of the case docs, books etc I was 80/90% in the pro innocent camp.  After a couple of years posting on the Red forum about the soc evidence I joined it all up and realised NB's upstairs gunshot wounds were sustained in such a way it supported the phone call and SC was in the main bedroom shooting June before NB came upstairs.  At this point I became 100% in the pro innocent camp because that is what the totality of the physical/soc evidence supports.  It is easy to post as a guilter/supporter on many of the topics because they are circumstantial but other aspects that are not circumstantial, that are rooted in science/physical evidence, it is impossible to genuinely post as a guilter.

But you did post as a Guilter,  Killing Eve. 

[Adam]

DCI Jones' notebook makes quite clear he checked all windows and doors and all were secured from within other than a small window in the pantry I think which was covered in mesh and cobwebs and clearly had not recently been disturbed.

As said, Bamber's exit became clear over the next month.

Via Julie, the relatives, the police and the house keeper.

Julie knew about his exit before the massacre. But never thought he would use it in such circumstances.