The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford

[Hardy Boy]

It was an open line that's how the GPO were able to hook up and listen in:

He said it went dead, there is a difference in the tone to a open line?

[ILB]

NB doesn't throw the phone on the hook.  The handset was left on the kitchen worktop where it was found by EP. 

Yes you have missed what the totality of the soc evidence supports at soc.  This supports JB's narrative.

The handset being left there doesn't back up JBs theory of a engaged tone.

It would still be an open line.

[Cambridgecutie]

Whatever happened, he cut the call and went elsewhere.

NB left the receiver on the kitchen worktop and went upstairs.  This is what all the evidence supports.

[snow66!]

NB had firearms lying around

NB had children on the premises

NB had a schizophrenic daughter on the premises.

NB was a clever astute man

NB knows that getting the authorities involved will result in.

Daniel and Nicholas been removed from any type of custody of Shelia

Nevill and June unlikely being able to see the children in any capacity for a long time.

The potential of Shelia getting into trouble.

The potential of awkward queries by police about firearms.

The embarrassment as word spreads around the community

The embarrassment of being a local JP and word getting about.

It's a private insular family, hence he phoned Bamber.

Very good post, ILB!
I think that sums things up very well indeed!

[ILB]

NB left the receiver on the kitchen worktop and went upstairs.  This is what all the evidence supports.

I totally understand and resonate that NB would call JB rather than automatically ring the authorities for many reasons stated.

[Cambridgecutie]

JB said " it sounded like someone had put their finger on the receiver button

That would result in a terminated call.

You keep making the mistake of seeing JB as a reliable witness. 

Do you think the GPO's op's ws is wrong? 

[Cambridgecutie]

The handset being left there doesn't back up JBs theory of a engaged tone.

It would still be an open line.

It was an open line that's how the GPO op was able to listen in as per her wit stat which I've just uploaded. 

[ILB]

You keep making the mistake of seeing JB as a reliable witness. 

Do you think the GPO's op's ws is wrong?

He's the main person in the case cutie. It's own words. He is the one claiming he received a call from his father.

Stop being bizarre.

[ILB]

It was an open line that's how the GPO op was able to listen in as per her wit stat which I've just uploaded.

But JB said he tried to call back and got the engaged tone.

So it can't have been an open line.

[Adam]

No it wasn't

It was never proved or disproven. The technology simply didn't exist.

Ringing Bamber's AM at 3.10am. Then saying 11 words.

Even the judge said ir was 'mysterious'.

[Adam]

He didn't.

Agree.

Why did Bamber & the CT say he did. Decades later?

Desperation?

[ILB]

Ringing Bamber's AM at 3.10am. Then saying 11 words.

Even the judge said ir was 'mysterious'.

You are getting boring with the AM now. The AM didn't even feature back at the trial in 1986, even thought I believe it was there.

[ILB]

Agree.

Why did Bamber & the CT say he did. Decades later?

Desperation?

Perhaps yes.

Imagine having your life robbed from you unjustly and spending decades in a prison cell. I'd imagine you'd try anything.

For the record I don't buy it either.

[Adam]

You are overlooking the fact the conversation was cut short. 

The call was made based on the soc evidence: blood stains to flooring/lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  The totality of this evidence supports SC opening fire on June in bed and NB leaving the handset on the kitchen worktop to go upstairs where he sustains the two facial gunshot wounds on the little landing stairs just preceding the entrance to the main bedroom.

Agree the call was cut short. Ekeven words. You can sat that again.

Agree June was shot in bed.

You are not a SOC expert. The prosecution case is Nevill was shot in bed. The DPP, jury & appeal courts agree.

[Adam]

It appears NB heard shots/screams/noise from upstairs and left the handset on the worktop.  This is what all the physical evidence at soc supports.

Why didn't Nevill put the phone down?

Surely Bamber didn't attempt an obvious stage.